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Budget - child benefit

76 replies

TheOneWithUnagi · 06/03/2024 13:47

Some good news in the budget today about child benefit.

Current limit at which you start to pay back via higher income charge is £50k, will move to £60k.

You will get no child benefit over £80k vs £60k now. Between £60 and £80k will taper.

Longer term they will look to tax household income somehow. As this still means 2 people earning £59k each will get it vs one earning £61k won't get it 100%.

Shame there was no increase in £100k limit (although hardly surprising given how this is defended on here!)

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Elephantswillnever · 06/03/2024 17:43

I do think it should be universal again. I do wonder how much it costs to implement versus savings.

NHStoPrivate · 06/03/2024 17:45

I agree @Elephantswillnever.

SadnessInMyIntestines · 06/03/2024 17:45

Caravaggiouch · 06/03/2024 17:39

When salaries are adjusted across the country they can do that. I could earn double what I earn now in London. I’ve chosen not to live in London. You could pay less for your house by living in Liverpool. You’ve chosen not to live in Liverpool.

Not all jobs are available everywhere, though.

I’ve accidentally ended up in a job that ties me to commuting distance of London. Retraining for anything else is unaffordable, so I’m pretty much stuck where I am!

DowntonAgain · 06/03/2024 17:46

Hollyhead · 06/03/2024 16:38

I don’t know if I’ll bother claiming it, we manage well without it, it feels immoral to take the money away from people who might need it more.

Virtue signalling. 🙄

It doesn’t work like that. Claim it and give it to someone struggling or to a charity if you feel like that.

PSEnny · 06/03/2024 17:46

newfriend05 · 06/03/2024 17:35

It's still not fair though if your a single parent on 60K when your next door neighbours can be on 50k each and still get it

Exactly, this is still nowhere near enough to helping single income households. I earn 80K my brother and SIL 47K each. They get full child benefit, I don’t. Their take home pay is significantly higher than mine. It is still unfair. I do have a high income but how can households with higher incomes be eligible for this when I am not. Two people on 40K each get this benefit so why not one person on 80K?

Caravaggiouch · 06/03/2024 17:47

SadnessInMyIntestines · 06/03/2024 17:45

Not all jobs are available everywhere, though.

I’ve accidentally ended up in a job that ties me to commuting distance of London. Retraining for anything else is unaffordable, so I’m pretty much stuck where I am!

So there are more job opportunities in London than elsewhere? Doesn't sound like a convincing argument for changing the thresholds.

TheOneWithUnagi · 06/03/2024 17:48

newfriend05 · 06/03/2024 17:35

It's still not fair though if your a single parent on 60K when your next door neighbours can be on 50k each and still get it

They are moving it to household income from 2026(?) I believe. But for now if earning under £60k you will get it 100%.
I agree it's not fair but better

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K0OLA1D · 06/03/2024 17:49

Propertylover · 06/03/2024 15:35

This is good news. Please remember less than 5% of people earn £100k +.

And they're all on mn

underthebun · 06/03/2024 17:50

Exactly, this is still nowhere near enough to helping single income households. I earn 80K my brother and SIL 47K each. They get full child benefit, I don’t. Their take home pay is significantly higher than mine. It is still unfair. I do have a high income but how can households with higher incomes be eligible for this when I am not. Two people on 40K each get this benefit so why not one person on 80K?

I don’t see why it should be taken away from one, both parties should get it.

TheOneWithUnagi · 06/03/2024 17:50

Caravaggiouch · 06/03/2024 17:41

Any indication what “longer term” means? We both earn about the same so would likely exceed a household threshold but would now be able to claim some without paying it all back if that has been increased to £80k. But if we’d become ineligible again in a year or something it doesn’t feel worth the hassle.

April 2026 I think.
You can apply and easily opt out if you become ineligible to save yourselves hassle of claiming then repaying it.

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PSEnny · 06/03/2024 17:50

TrudyProud · 06/03/2024 16:11

It's nearly 20% In London where childcare and housing costs are extortionate so any additional support from the government would have been appreciated.

I really wish all benefits were adjusted according to the cost of living in a given part of the country . Why someone in Liverpool has the same threshold as someone in London I'll never understand given housing and childcare is considerably cheaper in Liverpool.

Why should you get support just because of where you choose to live? Move somewhere cheaper, it’s not rocket science.

PSEnny · 06/03/2024 17:52

underthebun · 06/03/2024 17:50

Exactly, this is still nowhere near enough to helping single income households. I earn 80K my brother and SIL 47K each. They get full child benefit, I don’t. Their take home pay is significantly higher than mine. It is still unfair. I do have a high income but how can households with higher incomes be eligible for this when I am not. Two people on 40K each get this benefit so why not one person on 80K?

I don’t see why it should be taken away from one, both parties should get it.

I’m not suggesting taking it away from one, I’m suggesting that there is inequality when you look at overall household income. Which there is.

nopenotplaying · 06/03/2024 17:52

Babyroobs · 06/03/2024 16:48

So basically more help for high earners.

No it helps single in one families like me.

For those who are asking the tapering is currently 1% for every £100 you earn over 50k (net adjusted income) so it looks like it will be 0.5% charge for every £100 over 60k until you reach £80k where you will no longer qualify

underthebun · 06/03/2024 17:53

Why should you get support just because of where you choose to live? Move somewhere cheaper, it’s not rocket science.

Yes everyone should move to cheaper areas, we don’t need headteachers or doctors etc in London. Obviously when everyone does this prices will increase in the new areas & the locals will be angry they have been priced out 🙄

Lampslights · 06/03/2024 17:54

Great news between this and the national insurance cut.

DowntonAgain · 06/03/2024 17:55

PSEnny · 06/03/2024 17:50

Why should you get support just because of where you choose to live? Move somewhere cheaper, it’s not rocket science.

🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ You really should think things through before posting. Engage the brain, if you can.

nopenotplaying · 06/03/2024 17:55

Single income that should say. We only have my wages and net effective income is 57k so we have to pay back 70% of what we receive.

underthebun · 06/03/2024 17:55

I’m not suggesting taking it away from one, I’m suggesting that there is inequality when you look at overall household income. Which there is.

I don’t see why it’s unequal just because there are 2 earners. You can argue that 2 workers have higher childcare costs etc. They don’t means test plenty of other benefits & CB didn’t use to be means tested. It should be universal in my opinion.

Lampslights · 06/03/2024 17:57

underthebun · 06/03/2024 17:53

Why should you get support just because of where you choose to live? Move somewhere cheaper, it’s not rocket science.

Yes everyone should move to cheaper areas, we don’t need headteachers or doctors etc in London. Obviously when everyone does this prices will increase in the new areas & the locals will be angry they have been priced out 🙄

Don’t teachers and doctors ger a London weighting?

TheOneWithUnagi · 06/03/2024 17:58

PSEnny · 06/03/2024 17:52

I’m not suggesting taking it away from one, I’m suggesting that there is inequality when you look at overall household income. Which there is.

Yes there is, they are looking to address by looking at household income from April 2026 (I mean in reality it depends if the next government wants to do this). The suggestion was that this is more difficult as tax doesn’t usually look at household income.
I agree it’s unfair but at least raising thresholds helps a lot of families. Remember this is probably where they should have been however if they had kept up with inflation.

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Rinsby7 · 06/03/2024 17:59

How do 2 earners have higher child care costs than a full-time working single parent?

Keepingittogetherstepbystep · 06/03/2024 18:00

In between all his grinning he explained the rational to go for household income would take until 2026 as hmrc would need new software to deliver it.

In the meantime from April the thresholds would rise to £60,000 and taper until £80,000.

roarrfeckingroar · 06/03/2024 18:00

Great news. I earn just under £60k (4 days pw to save on childcare) and was looking into upping my pension contributions to keep CB (I opted in this year during maternity leave as earned under the £50k limit for first time since having kids) but now won't have to

underthebun · 06/03/2024 18:01

@Rinsby7 huh? Not everyone who loses out in the current situation is a single parent. There are plenty of households where one parent is a stay at home & the other earns 60k so doesn’t get CB. Is this news to you? As I said I think it should be universal.

DrCoconut · 06/03/2024 18:05

@Babyroobs the Tory way!

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