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Can anyone help me sleep at night re pensions?

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yekeyeke · 14/01/2024 12:53

My DH is a director of a company, he has zero pension, age 54. He says it's fine because he will sell the business when it comes to retiring. How can he be sure any one would buy it?! It's also shared with his business partner.

I will get state pension and not much from working as I don't get paid lots and have only ever put in the minimum.

Anything we can do??

We make enough to get by, have a holiday etc but no spare cash really.

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yekeyeke · 14/01/2024 12:53

Basically I'm so worried about being old and eating beans on toast and never being able to travel or help kids out etc. I'm 48

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 14/01/2024 12:57

Crikey, as a plan I can see that has some flaws.

Will anyone buy it?
Will anyone buy it at his valuation?
What if by the time he wants to sell it the bottom has fallen out of that particular market?
How much of a share does his partner have?
What if his partner doesn't want to sell?
What if he decides not to sell at all?

Sorry, in your place I'd be worried too. Is he putting anything into a pension?

Babyroobs · 14/01/2024 13:08

Please tell me he has paid NI credits over the years to actually get a state pension?

Peakypolly · 14/01/2024 13:12

This is exactly what we did. Interest only mortgage as well. Finally selling that business with DH aged 49. Two other business partners on the same timeline.
It has worked out for us,but obviously depends on how sure you are of the worth/desirability of the business.

Kazzyhoward · 14/01/2024 13:17

He's insane and taking a massive risk.

Loads of people who owned small shops thought exactly the same in the 70s and 80s and found themselves stuck when they came to retire as their shops were unsellable, not even as empty properties, and those who "lived above the shop" in flats were even worse off as they were trapped there. Mostly they had the same idea that they'd just sell the shop and live happily on the proceeds, buy a bungalow or flat, go on cruises, etc. The reality was an empty ground floor shop slowly deteriorating.

There are still some like that now. One guy ran a thriving TV repair and electronic component business including a shop, several staff doing repairs, he and his wife lived in a really nice flat above the shop, and all was hunky dory. Now, his wife has died, the shop and flat are virtually derelict, he's living in squalor, the shop is still full of antiquated electronic components that are gathering dust. He had it on the market for 20 years and didn't even get any offers, and only a handful of viewings over those years. That's literally tens of thousands of pounds of components (at cost price, not current value which is probably only scrap value) and a property that he has no money to renovate which could be worth £100-£200k once done up (new roof, new windows, rewiring, central heating, sorting widespread rot etc).

It really is 50:50 whether someone will be able to sell a business these days. All it needs is a change of regulation/legislation or a change in buying habits or a change in technology, and the value could drop over a very short timespan. Even worse would be some kind of catastrophic event, like an insured claim for damages or a big customer going bankrupt and the business itself could go under, leaving nothing to sell.

Please, please, knock some sense into him!

Babyroobs · 14/01/2024 13:23

I work for a charity for older people and it surprising how many ( usually self employed) have made no provision for their old age, many haven't even paid sufficient Ni contributions and end up getting a low state pension. I have one client currently who, due to years of self employment has a state pension of about £85 a week, so is still trying to work a few hours a week at aged 80+ to make ends meet and is in ill health. Can't claim Pension credit as he has a much younger wife who is trying to look after him and work as much as she can but it's very hard for them. If it's one thing I've learnt from my current job it's to try to plan for older age. There are so many people in an absolute mess, either due to low pensions, interest only mortgages, equity release schemes etc.

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