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Migration to UC is making me anxious

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HereWeGo22 · 09/01/2024 23:34

I haven't received my notice yet but I will at some point, and its making me anxious.

I've been in receipt of TCs for 10 years. Apart from 11 months of maternity leave, I've worked full time on a low income to rebuild and support my family following the breakdown of my relationship, pretty much following the birth of my child. I was left in a huge amount of debt by the ex and feel proud that despite the hardship and mess we were left in, I've managed to keep things ticking over somehow, and kept our home.

Not having the best income coming in, it's made me be very responsible with money. I mean I have to be. Single parent with no help from the other parent, with a mortgage, I literally have no social life or luxuries but I do have abit of savings in the event of home repairs/renovations and emergencies as that is the responsible thing to do. My savings are much less than 16k but are there ready to be able to make renovations to my house to benefit my disabled child. 2024 was they year they work was going to begin. Now I feel this could be seen as deprivation of income but it's stuff that needs to be done, it's just taken time to save.

I've never posted my thoughts but have read several threads on here and SM, and I cant help but feel that UC is really unfair. I also feel alot of people are very quick to bash anyone who are in receipt of benefits which also makes me nervous to post this.

Not everyone on benefits is unemployed and a 'scrounger' as so many people like to call us. Alot of people actually work but are in low paid jobs. Some people cant work due to illness and disability. Yes some people do play the system but it's unfair to put everyone claiming benefits in the same basket. I work with SEND children. Absolutely love my job and it's hard work, but education jobs at my level are generally extremely poorly paid, which I find crazy as they are so important, just like all other low paid jobs! I feel very trapped that I cannot better myself, upskill or retrain as I qualify for no help due to being a homeowner so I very much feel stuck.

From what I've read about UC they have alot more control over you. How are you meant to better yourself? As a homeowner how am I meant to do emergency house repairs? I mean a boiler, plumbing, gas, electrics, roofing, windows are all very expensive things to repair/upgrade. How the hell am I meant to maintain our home without being able to save for events like above as well as have an emergency fund of 3 or so moneys pay should I become unemployed/unable to work etc?

I'm guessing I'll get mixed opinions to my post but £6k in savings is absolutely nothing. Especially when you are a homeowner. I've seen people getting thousands in UC every month (no judgement), even with my income included, the total household income every month is less than 2k, so running a home, a child and dog and paying off debts it really doesn't go that far.

Not sure why I'm posting this now I've wrote it. Abit worried some people won't see the genuine worries behind it. It just feels like because I need to claim financial help I am not allowed to do any better

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Babyroobs · 10/01/2024 00:15

Uc ( in my opinion ) is not unfair. I actually feel that for families it is quite generous, not so much for single people.
The first 6k of savings is fine. Anything between 6k and 16k there is a deduction in the amount of Uc you receive each month.
If you have a disabled child you get extra elements like the disabled child element and a carers element which a parent can claim even if they work and earn too much to claim carers allowance.
It is fine to spend savings reasonably- if you say you have significantly less than 16k savings then it doesn't sound like you'd be spending a huge amount on renovations anyway. You can always check with them that it is ok.

Fluffyhoglets · 10/01/2024 00:17

Get your renovations done and keep receipts and evidence to show what the money was used for if questioned.

HereWeGo22 · 10/01/2024 00:33

I'm happy to keep a trail and receipts as current savings were always intended for the house. Garden needs to be completely done and made safe, I have internal ceiling repairs due to a water leak and a roof repair that needs doing, along with general updating the tired decor and damaged furniture. So I feel better that I am allowed to do this. But I hate that I have to be accountable to them for wanting to maintain our home which as a homeowner I am required to do.

I stand by what I say about feeling UC is unfair but then I do fall into the category of a single person which you admit it isn't very fair.

6k savings as a homeowner really is not alot to fall back on.

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Babyroobs · 10/01/2024 00:37

HereWeGo22 · 10/01/2024 00:33

I'm happy to keep a trail and receipts as current savings were always intended for the house. Garden needs to be completely done and made safe, I have internal ceiling repairs due to a water leak and a roof repair that needs doing, along with general updating the tired decor and damaged furniture. So I feel better that I am allowed to do this. But I hate that I have to be accountable to them for wanting to maintain our home which as a homeowner I am required to do.

I stand by what I say about feeling UC is unfair but then I do fall into the category of a single person which you admit it isn't very fair.

6k savings as a homeowner really is not alot to fall back on.

No when I referred to single people I meant single people, no kids. Uc is a pittance for them. When you have kids you get other elements, more housing allowance if you rent and a work allowance meaning more earnings are disregarded before earnings reduce your UC. You say yourself you've seen people getting thousands a month in UC.
6k isn't a lot to fall back on but on Uc you are allowed 16k, but they take some off.

HereWeGo22 · 10/01/2024 00:40

My UC entitlement is actually less than my TC award.

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Babyroobs · 10/01/2024 00:41

HereWeGo22 · 10/01/2024 00:40

My UC entitlement is actually less than my TC award.

Then you'll get transitional protection when you transfer over meaning you won't be worse off on UC.

HereWeGo22 · 10/01/2024 00:44

I dont really understand TP as many people have said you don't always get it and it only lasts for a year.

With regards to my savings is it true they are disregarded for 12 months. So does that mean I will be able to go ahead as planned and keeping proof of expenditure and it not be seen as deprivation of income?

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Castellanos · 10/01/2024 00:44

Yes, hopefully youll get transactional protection. Also,£6,000 today was worth about £4,000 in 2010. I wonder if they're going to increase the amount someone can have in savings to reflect inflation, like they're finally getting around to with local housing allowance.

I don't think necessary renovations would be seen as deprivation of assets, but might be worth asking the CAB?

Castellanos · 10/01/2024 00:45

X-post!

Babyroobs · 10/01/2024 00:46

HereWeGo22 · 10/01/2024 00:44

I dont really understand TP as many people have said you don't always get it and it only lasts for a year.

With regards to my savings is it true they are disregarded for 12 months. So does that mean I will be able to go ahead as planned and keeping proof of expenditure and it not be seen as deprivation of income?

Savings over 16k would be disregarded for a year but I believe you still will have a deduction from your monthly Uc for savings between 6k and 16k.
TP lasts until the TP is eroded away by natural increases in your Uc award I think.
Sorry really not sure on the expenditure question but I would have thought if the renovations are for the benefit of your child then it would be deemed fine to spend that money.

caringcarer · 10/01/2024 01:15

Babyroobs · 10/01/2024 00:15

Uc ( in my opinion ) is not unfair. I actually feel that for families it is quite generous, not so much for single people.
The first 6k of savings is fine. Anything between 6k and 16k there is a deduction in the amount of Uc you receive each month.
If you have a disabled child you get extra elements like the disabled child element and a carers element which a parent can claim even if they work and earn too much to claim carers allowance.
It is fine to spend savings reasonably- if you say you have significantly less than 16k savings then it doesn't sound like you'd be spending a huge amount on renovations anyway. You can always check with them that it is ok.

Also you can save at home with money in a tin or whatever without putting it in the bank. I know you won't get interest but you'd keep getting the UC.

FuckinghellthatsUnbelievable · 10/01/2024 02:49

I get UC, single parent, work full time, mortgage etc. Honestly don’t have over 6k in savings but if it’s ever over £5k I’d just overpay mortgage/ pay extra towards car loan. Hasn’t happened up to now but I just got a pay rise so 🤞It feels like every time I make more money the price of something goes up mortgage/ energy/ food/ fuel/ insurance. So there’s never much spare cash. I don’t think using savings for adaptations/ repairs/ debts would count as deprivation of assets. Houses need work. I’ve been claiming nearly three years and no one has asked me how I spend my cash. Really it’s mortgage, bills, insurance, food shop, kids activities, bit of vinted action is about as frivolous as it gets.

I have good credit so it’d be fairly easy to get a loan and I have nearly 10k across 2 credit cards available for emergencies. Possibly this is the different mindset to being on UC? Can I get the credit to fund something rather than save for it in advance.

I would say kids bank accounts counting seems a bit unfair. It would be nice to be able to save something up for uni/ driving lessons etc when older.

Phillipa12 · 10/01/2024 04:58

I transferred in December and was worried as I have a small 13 hr a month self employed top up job. It was a bit back and forth the first month explaining via the journal the reason behind my self employed stuff and that I wasn't expanding it, but I only have to log in twice a month now to declare my self employed income and then to accept my commitments, which takes about 5 mins max. I also have a mortgage and just over 6k in savings, most of this is to pay for damp proof course repairs for which I have a quote and the work is booked for April. I have declared my savings, nothing has been deducted yet, but feel I'm still protected by the 12 months.

HereWeGo22 · 10/01/2024 06:15

Thanks for the reassuring stories. My credit is excellent so I'd have no concerns being accepted for a loan or credit card if needed. I just feel as a homeowner, part of that is having some funds behind you in the even of things like I have suggested.

I'll carry on with the quotes for the works as that was my intentions all along. At the end of the day homes need to be maintained. When it will all start I have no idea, though I am 90% certain it will he this year.

Thanks for the responses

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Lougle · 10/01/2024 07:01

caringcarer · 10/01/2024 01:15

Also you can save at home with money in a tin or whatever without putting it in the bank. I know you won't get interest but you'd keep getting the UC.

Money is money. It should all be declared, whether it's under the mattress or in a bank account.

WithACatLikeTread · 10/01/2024 08:00

We both work, have a young family and a mortgage. We don't get a lot but don't have any problems with it. I think if you are single (no kids) or self employed it isn't so great.

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