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Is it worth applying for PIP

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backtoworknextweek · 19/06/2023 18:14

I suffer from a bone condition which means I am constantly in pain which, for the past few years, massively effected my mental health. I work part time because I am unable to full time because of my condition.

Is it worth applying for Pip. Will I be knocked back and is it a stressful process to go through. Will I need to send my doctors letters with my condition

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Thighdentitycrisis · 19/06/2023 20:17

Can I jump in with a PIP question?
can an elderly person claiming pension credit and attendance allowance (dementia related) also claim PIP?

Good luck with your claim OP

Soubriquet · 19/06/2023 20:20

Brexitisreallystupid · 19/06/2023 20:13

Basically they called me a liar.

That's the invisible illness penalty.

Although when I applied the NHS had not sent me for the tilt table test at that point so didn't have the evidence to prove anything about my claim other than testimony. I can't be bothered reapplying until a new Gov gets in power. The PiP assessors are on bonuses for hitting targets....I pressume that means the less they approve the more they get paid in bonuses.

I’m really sorry. I currently am undiagnosed. The doctors are still trying to work out what’s wrong with me. Hasn’t stopped me from claiming PiP and a blue badge though

blueshoes · 19/06/2023 20:24

Careerdilemma · 19/06/2023 19:46

Don't trust that they will contact medical professionals. They often don't. Make sure to send plenty of evidence.

And even then, the DWP/assessor ignored all the evidence attached (an inch thick) and said that if you can do this xyz, then you must be able to do abc i.e. you don't get any points for that activity. Be prepared to challenge if they do this and go to appeal if necessary. At appeal, it is impartial and the DWP can no longer dodge. Your chances of your succeeding at appeal increase significantly.

flourella · 19/06/2023 20:24

@Thighdentitycrisis no. A pensioner can only receive PIP if they already had an award at the time they reached state pension age. Attendance Allowance is the equivalent for pensioners.

Auldspinster · 19/06/2023 20:27

You have to be 64 or younger to make a new pip claim. Attendance Allowance is the over 65s equivalent.
I have enhanced rate daily living of the Scottish Adult Disability payment in spite of working full time. I can keep it together enough to work well but home life is a disaster and my conditions are poorly managed.

blueshoes · 19/06/2023 20:27

That's the invisible illness penalty.

So true. Mental health, autism and learning difficulties, maybe even chronic pain, fall under this.

Thighdentitycrisis · 19/06/2023 20:29

Thanks @flourella @Auldspinster

backtoworknextweek · 19/06/2023 20:39

Auldspinster · 19/06/2023 20:27

You have to be 64 or younger to make a new pip claim. Attendance Allowance is the over 65s equivalent.
I have enhanced rate daily living of the Scottish Adult Disability payment in spite of working full time. I can keep it together enough to work well but home life is a disaster and my conditions are poorly managed.

This is like me. I hold it together in work but when I get home it's another story but I think I would be worse if I didn't work because then I think my mental health would suffer.
Even though I'm in pain daily with my condition, I tend to just get on with it and that's why I wondered if it's worth applying

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backtoworknextweek · 19/06/2023 20:40

Thank you for all the responses. I am going to start the claim tomorrow so I'll no doubt be back to update/ask for advice.

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Auldspinster · 19/06/2023 20:54

I had a slight advantage in that I worked in PIP appeals and knew the descriptors back to front. Still a slog to fill in the form.

What prompted me to apply was that I was listening to cases thinking "That's the same as me" or that I'm on the same meds and face the same barriers. GP backed me up, they've always been very supportive and have often stated how well I've done to hold down a demanding full time job.

It struck me quite how much I had wrong with me when listing my very long list of conditions - had kind of compartmentalised before. Did feel slightly guilty at first but the determination is very clear, feel like I can breathe for the first time in many years after only just getting by.

Babyroobs · 19/06/2023 21:38

Thighdentitycrisis · 19/06/2023 20:17

Can I jump in with a PIP question?
can an elderly person claiming pension credit and attendance allowance (dementia related) also claim PIP?

Good luck with your claim OP

No attendance allowance is the equivalent disability benefit for people over state pension age. You can't claim PIP once over state pension age,

Babyroobs · 19/06/2023 21:39

Auldspinster · 19/06/2023 20:27

You have to be 64 or younger to make a new pip claim. Attendance Allowance is the over 65s equivalent.
I have enhanced rate daily living of the Scottish Adult Disability payment in spite of working full time. I can keep it together enough to work well but home life is a disaster and my conditions are poorly managed.

It's not 64, it's state retirement age that determines which benefit you claim.

backtoworknextweek · 20/06/2023 19:45

Do you always have to have an assessment and is this face to face or over the phone. Can it be approved just by the application. I'd rather they speak to my GP and health professionals rather than meet with me. I hate that kind of things

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flourella · 20/06/2023 20:18

Most people have a face-to-face or telephone assessment. Paper-based assessments can be carried out if the assessment provider feels they can write a report just from the form and other written evidence. Paper-based decisions are also possible, where the DWP doesn't even send the form to the assessment provider because they feel they can make a decision without an assessment report (this is what happened with my review a couple of years ago).

I wouldn't bank on them contacting the medical professionals you name. They never have with me. Assessments I have had over the years have not been exactly pleasant, but haven't been awful either. I'm afraid you should prepare to have one and hope the assessor is nice.

backtobedforme · 25/06/2023 21:18

Kellioo · 19/06/2023 18:58

We recently applied for DH for the first time, we submitted the form backed up with hospital letters, personal statements from me and him and information relating to his conditions and how they affect him. He got a phone call out of the blue from an assessor which lasted about 10 minutes. He was awarded the lower rate.

Good luck.

How long did it take all together

JustAnotherRandom · 25/06/2023 21:33

Babyroobs · 19/06/2023 18:46

PIP is not about whether you can work. It is about whether you can cook a simple meal from scratch, wash and dress yourself, communicate, manage your medications, budget, mix with others and how far you can mobilise. It also looks at whether you can do these activities reliably, safely, consistently etc for at least 50% of the time. You need medical evidence to back up what you are saying and it's often refused. I help quite a few people to claim it, I'd say about 50% get awarded it straight off, others have to go to appeal.

I can do all these things most of the time, but not all of the time and not on the same day.

If you had twenty quid to spend, then theoretically you could buy a meal in a cafe, buy ingredients and cook dinner, go bowling, go to the cinema, get a bus, taxi ride, do an exercise class, buy a t shirt, get brows threaded, buy some raffle tickets, get a prescription, buy some nappies etc, but you couldn't do all of them and would have to choose. That's how I am with my health, except the price of those activities also shoots up randomly on various days. Is that sort of thing eligible for PIP? Am I making any sense?!

Bromptotoo · 25/06/2023 21:41

JustAnotherRandom · 25/06/2023 21:33

I can do all these things most of the time, but not all of the time and not on the same day.

If you had twenty quid to spend, then theoretically you could buy a meal in a cafe, buy ingredients and cook dinner, go bowling, go to the cinema, get a bus, taxi ride, do an exercise class, buy a t shirt, get brows threaded, buy some raffle tickets, get a prescription, buy some nappies etc, but you couldn't do all of them and would have to choose. That's how I am with my health, except the price of those activities also shoots up randomly on various days. Is that sort of thing eligible for PIP? Am I making any sense?!

If you have the sort of condition that means your capacity to do stuff is up/down or you have bad days and good days less bad days you're in with a chance.

Speak to an adviser such as CA, your local Law Centre etc.

Keep a diary day by day or even minute by minute of what you cannot do that us folks in OK health can. Complete it with the PIP descriptors in mind.

JustAnotherRandom · 27/06/2023 10:09

Thank you

Starrrz · 04/02/2024 19:26

@backtoworknextweek did u apply ? X

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