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Is it difficult to earn more than £40k?

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Lowwages · 29/05/2023 10:22

I’m currently on benefits due to a long period of sickness and I’ve been trying to prepare for work for whenever I get better. I’ve been running the numbers though and the benefits I receive for being sick with 2 young children is equivalent to a £40k salary. I’m quite shocked but now also worried that life will always be a struggle as a single parent unless I can exceed that £40k salary.

I’m currently 32 and looking at getting qualified in finance or going to med school but the average salaries on glass door and payscale seem really low considering that these are supposed to be some of the best paying jobs in the UK.

Just how difficult would it be for somebody newly qualified at 35+ to surpass £40k? I’m aware that I could never recover or that I could meet a partner to share finances with but I think that it’s better to prepare.

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ArcticSkewer · 30/05/2023 09:01

feralunderclass · 30/05/2023 08:40

Apart from the A levels issue, I don't know why people are saying this couldn't true? I just looked up £40k take home, which is £527 per week. If you are in receipt of disability benefits for either yourself or a dc it's very possible to get that amount. People are also saying OP is getting this for "doing nothing". Disability can come with huge extra costs. Should we just send disabled people into a workhouse instead?

That's not the take home of a £40k salary before pension contributions.

If op gets Pip, she will continue to get that if working. It's not dependant on work status.

So op presumably is talking about her income on benefits that would change if she got a job. It would be very very high rent in an expensive area that tips the balance, if so. Can't be childcare if she isn't currently working.

Anyone who fancies a life on benefits - The benefits cap varies by area but for people without disabilities it would be a max of £486 and that's with two children, high rent etc. It's the max you could claim.

feralunderclass · 30/05/2023 09:08

If she goes to work (for sake of argument let's say in finance) full time it is very likely she will drop a level of PIP or lose it completely. People keep saying that PIP is not means tested, which it isn't, but if you are capable of working a FT job it's quite unlikely you will get to stay on it. The threshold is very high.

Lowwages · 30/05/2023 09:18

feralunderclass · 30/05/2023 08:40

Apart from the A levels issue, I don't know why people are saying this couldn't true? I just looked up £40k take home, which is £527 per week. If you are in receipt of disability benefits for either yourself or a dc it's very possible to get that amount. People are also saying OP is getting this for "doing nothing". Disability can come with huge extra costs. Should we just send disabled people into a workhouse instead?

I wouldn’t worry about it, ‘Troll hunting’ seems to be a big thing on mumsnet and you see it on a lot of posts. I expect they’re just looking for a way to feel superior to someone for a little while.

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EnidSpyton · 30/05/2023 09:26

Lowwages · 30/05/2023 09:18

I wouldn’t worry about it, ‘Troll hunting’ seems to be a big thing on mumsnet and you see it on a lot of posts. I expect they’re just looking for a way to feel superior to someone for a little while.

It’s not about feeling superior. It’s about shutting down threads like this which are designed solely to cause outrage towards marginalised people.

The OP has deliberately chosen to mention the amount she is getting in benefits - a hefty salary for most - which is textbook button pressing in discussions around benefits. It’s all very Daily Mail.

I have said quite clearly above that I have no issue with the benefits side of this discussion. Anyone getting 40k in benefits would be having that money going straight to other people rather than directly to them and they would be living a challenging existence. Threads like this piss me off because they’re designed to cause anger at people on benefits. It’s deliberately sowing the seeds that people on benefits are sitting around living a life of luxury on the taxpayers money. The OP should be ashamed.

Lowwages · 30/05/2023 09:34

SavvyWavvy · 30/05/2023 06:08

Have you considered software engineering? There are lots of companies that will train you in the job and there’s a huge skills shortage. Absolutely no need to go back to uni.

Have a look online for free coding schools/courses and have a go.

That sounds really good. Could you recommend any particular sites for training? I’ve been looking on ICS learning this morning but all the courses are very expensive. I’d be happy to pay but want to make sure that the course I choose to take is relevant.

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greyhairnomore · 30/05/2023 10:40

PriamFarrl · 29/05/2023 10:38

Not that it should be a race to the bottom but it’s rather galling that someone on benefits gets notably more than a teacher/nurse/police officer.

Absolutely.

onefinemess · 30/05/2023 11:05

40k on benefits!

No wonder the country is broke and our tax burden is so high.

SweetSakura · 30/05/2023 11:06

greyhairnomore · 30/05/2023 10:40

Absolutely.

I don't entirely disagree and public sector salaries have been kept too low for too long.

But for those feeling demotivated, remember you are also accruing decent a decent pension pot and career experience which means you have scope to progress

It can't be fun being dependent on benefits, even if the headline numbers look enviable. I am only on the borderline of being entitled to pip and my disability is tough. I feel very lucky I can work full time (even if I spend most of the rest of my life in bed)

GoodChat · 30/05/2023 11:12

onefinemess · 30/05/2023 11:05

40k on benefits!

No wonder the country is broke and our tax burden is so high.

Our country is broken because an ill woman with two young children who wants to work is being financially supported enough to live some kind of comfortable lifestyle?

No. The OP is exactly the kind of person the benefits system should exist to support.

onefinemess · 30/05/2023 11:41

GoodChat · 30/05/2023 11:12

Our country is broken because an ill woman with two young children who wants to work is being financially supported enough to live some kind of comfortable lifestyle?

No. The OP is exactly the kind of person the benefits system should exist to support.

I work, can I be financially supported?

nosunshinewhenshesgone · 30/05/2023 11:55

Lowwages · 30/05/2023 05:54

Thank you so much to all the posters who have given helpful and detailed advice. There’s very mixed opinions about university, but accounting qualifications are something that I can do from home in the meantime. I think that a lot of it comes down to lost confidence and not knowing how to get my foot back in the door after so long so it’s encouraging to hear about all the different routes available for those in my position such as apprenticeships.

It's unusual to learn accountancy from home by yourself whilst unemployed.

If you really wanted to take that route, I'd suggest studying AAT rather than leaping into ACCA.

(To do ACA or CA, you would need to be employed.)

The issue with studying yourself is that you may become book-smart without becoming real-world smart. Employers very much like people's practical experience and qualifications to match up.

However, if you're willing to spend some money on an AAT module to see if you have the appetite for it, and you're only looking at entering the market from the bottom anyway, there's no real harm. I think you could create a compelling story in your circumstances for having studied first.

GoodChat · 30/05/2023 12:05

@onefinemess yes, by your employer. Currently the OP isn't well enough to work.

musixa · 30/05/2023 12:19

We should not be framing this as 'people receive too much in benefits'. We should be framing it as 'the minimum wage in the UK is too low'.

greyhairnomore · 30/05/2023 12:22

@SweetSakura I have aN NHS pension, it is good , people often say public sector pensions are good. I pay A LOT into it though , hundreds a month.
My salary is over £40k but starts at £27k.
@Lowwages I believe supermarket managers are well paid ? You could look at that.

SweetSakura · 30/05/2023 13:22

greyhairnomore · 30/05/2023 12:22

@SweetSakura I have aN NHS pension, it is good , people often say public sector pensions are good. I pay A LOT into it though , hundreds a month.
My salary is over £40k but starts at £27k.
@Lowwages I believe supermarket managers are well paid ? You could look at that.

I have a public sector pension too. I take your point we pay a fair amount in but when I last checked my employer pays in nearly double what I do, so it is a substantial additional factor - anyone on benefits will be stuck relying on the state pension

YerAWizardHarry · 30/05/2023 13:24

I earn just shy of £40K as a teacher in Scotland (will go up some more with a bit more experience). I “only” take home £2000ish a month and obvious get no benefits etc. I think I’d really struggle financially as a single parent on my wages alone

SavvyWavvy · 30/05/2023 19:33

Lowwages · 30/05/2023 09:34

That sounds really good. Could you recommend any particular sites for training? I’ve been looking on ICS learning this morning but all the courses are very expensive. I’d be happy to pay but want to make sure that the course I choose to take is relevant.

Google “free coding courses” or “free coding for women”.

This is one of the better known companies that train female coders:

https://codefirstgirls.com/

You will have the potential to earn a lot of money with no need for a degree. Also look for organisations that train on the job.

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