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CMShelp · 19/04/2023 15:52

Hi everyone. Name change as some of my other posts could identify me.

I split with my ex when he was a newborn. On and off during pregnancy and he was so unsupportive so I ended things. He has stopped seeing/asking about him and has me blocked on everything. Last saw him end of December.

My ex has not paid maintenance in the last 8 weeks. He had been paying £30 a week since our child was 6 weeks old. So he only paid for 13 weeks.
I applied to CMS a few weeks ago and I know my ex will ignore them, he was supposed to receive a letter from them on Monday but I haven't heard anything and I was expecting him to go mad, his silence is quite worrying. He works and also claims benefits and takes home I'd say around £500 cash each week. I know this as we worked together before I went on maternity leave. I was really nervous contacting CMS and now more nervous that I've heard nothing from him which is why I think he's gonna try and dodge them.

Anyone know what can be done about this as he is not a PAYE employee (I am) and I feel sick at the thought of £7 a week as he pays £50 a week for his other kids.

I can supply rotas/reviews/pics&videos of him in work. I don't want to throw my employer under the bus but on the other hand they shouldn't have been assisting people committing benefit fraud.

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KievLoverTwo · 20/04/2023 03:12

Awful.
Just giving you a bump.

Don't some benefit fraud folks get jailed?

taxpayer1 · 20/04/2023 04:11

But you were happy to support someone committing fraud when you were together. Strange morals.

roseheartfly · 20/04/2023 05:10

Why are his other children less important that yours?

I think given that you know he commits fraud and doesn't have PAYE it's pretty obvious that you will get very little.

You know what he pays for his other children and still had a child with him so I think it's fair game.

Babyroobs · 20/04/2023 08:24

As others have said you knew he was working cash in hand and not paying taxes and happy to turn a blind eye when you were together and now that is working against you, you are up in arms about it ! £500 a week is a huge amount to not be declaring. I imagine if he has other kids you will get a small share of the £7. I doubt there is anything they can do about the cash in hand job earnings.

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CMShelp · 20/04/2023 08:36

See this is where I'm confused about the £7. He pays the £50 out of his bank account for his other kids, CMS have never been involved. So why would the £7 be reduced if the other children are not on the calculation? There's evidence that he has the means to pay more than £7 lol.

And for everyone saying I turned a blind eye, true... But how many people have you reported to HMRC?? Sticky situation when I work at the company who is paying the cash in hand and didn't want to jeopardise my job!

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CMShelp · 20/04/2023 08:37

roseheartfly · 20/04/2023 05:10

Why are his other children less important that yours?

I think given that you know he commits fraud and doesn't have PAYE it's pretty obvious that you will get very little.

You know what he pays for his other children and still had a child with him so I think it's fair game.

Where did u say they were less important than mine? He clearly thinks the other children are more important than mine as he is choosing to support them yet is not involved AT ALL with our child.

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KievLoverTwo · 20/04/2023 09:48

Putting morals aside, seeing your replies, I am a bit worried you might get done for aiding benefit fraud and your company for tax evasion. That would be horribly messy all round.

However, I have no idea if the government take these things seriously and are likely to take action against you and them.

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CMShelp · 20/04/2023 13:19

@KievLoverTwo What if I was to report anonymously? Would I still be in trouble?

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Beetrootlover82 · 20/04/2023 13:20

He is committing enormous benefit fraud

report him to the Hmrc

Beetrootlover82 · 20/04/2023 13:20

CMShelp · 20/04/2023 13:19

@KievLoverTwo What if I was to report anonymously? Would I still be in trouble?

With whom?

Beetrootlover82 · 20/04/2023 13:21

But how many people have you reported to HMRC??

none

why? Because I don’t know anyone earning enormous wads of cash every week and not declaring it AND having the audacity to claim benefits on top of that 🤷‍♀️

You, however, do

Beetrootlover82 · 20/04/2023 13:22

You “worked together” before you went on maternity leave but he’s paid cash in hand and you paid through PAYE?

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CMShelp · 20/04/2023 13:40

@Beetrootlover82 yes I'm PAYE, currently on maternity leave. Have always been a PAYE employee. If it was reported anonymously could I get done with aiding benefit fraud? I suspect he had been doing it long before I met him too and initially denied to me being on benefits. I just got the CMS calculation and it's came through at £7 a week. Livid.

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KievLoverTwo · 20/04/2023 13:59

CMShelp · 20/04/2023 13:19

@KievLoverTwo What if I was to report anonymously? Would I still be in trouble?

I don’t know but I am not sure it matters.

  1. you report him for benefit fraud
  2. they investigate tax evasion at your work
  3. they have to sack a bunch of people to pay off the back tax
  4. you get no money from him because he has no job
  5. company suspects it was you and you get sacked first

I mean I am doom mongering a worst case scenario here and I legitimately have no idea If this course of events is even likely, but can you see how it could open up a massive can of worms that ultimately means you don’t get the money anyway, and could end up worse off?

It feels like playing with fire.

Beetrootlover82 · 20/04/2023 15:02

If it was reported anonymously could I get done with aiding benefit fraud? I suspect he had been doing it long before I

well did you “aid”?

Having knowledge is not “aiding”

however I am baffled that you “worked together** and yet you were PAYE and he was cash in hand.

Beetrootlover82 · 20/04/2023 15:06

You stuck between a rock and a hard place

you have known he was committing serious benefit fraud and tax evasion for a long time but didn’t report. Which was fine when you didn’t financially suffer.

however because you didn’t report, he continues to commit Benefit fraud which now means that you are not receiving the money that rightfully belongs to you and your child (And myself and all other tax payers are being ripped off by him)

you should have reported when you knew and you wouldn’t be here now
but the fact you knew and didn’t report - is NOT regarded as “aiding”

the question is though… did you aid? And only you (and him) know that

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CMShelp · 20/04/2023 15:50

@Beetrootlover82 yeah a fair few employees are working off the record and on benefits. I myself only started claiming benefits when my maternity pay decreased and obviously haven't been working so no benefit fraud here. I would hate to get them in trouble as they are nice people although I still don't agree with what they're doing. Reason I haven't reported is because it would put my job at risk if it was recognised that I was the reporter.

And regarding the aiding the benefit fraud, I didn't even receive as much as a birthday card from him lol, I didn't benefit from any of his dirty money in any way... most meals/days out etc were purchased by me, alongside everything needed for a newborn baby to enter the world. Not a penny from him. He's a real catch! Just glad I'm away from him and his narcissistic abuse now.

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Iwasafool · 20/04/2023 15:53

CMShelp · 20/04/2023 08:36

See this is where I'm confused about the £7. He pays the £50 out of his bank account for his other kids, CMS have never been involved. So why would the £7 be reduced if the other children are not on the calculation? There's evidence that he has the means to pay more than £7 lol.

And for everyone saying I turned a blind eye, true... But how many people have you reported to HMRC?? Sticky situation when I work at the company who is paying the cash in hand and didn't want to jeopardise my job!

Report him now and his employer.

Beetrootlover82 · 20/04/2023 15:59

employees

i am confused. You’re saying employees are going work behind employer back for cash?

either way op - hall in your court.
don’t do anything and receive £7 and deprive your child from what is rightfully his. But at least you know your ex and excolleagues can safely continue to defraud Hmrc and commit benefit fraud

or

report

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