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Child benefit nightmare

135 replies

dancingqueen123 · 03/12/2022 12:49

I have been paid this since kids were born. Never thought anything if it, as I thought it was a universal benefit to Mothers.
DH has had a letter saying he's over the threshold. Has been for some time.

I'm really worried. Why didn't they just stop paying us it?!

Will they just slap us with a humongous bill now?
Things are really tight right now. Really don't need this 🙈

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Testina · 04/12/2022 00:30

BrutusMcDogface · 03/12/2022 22:05

I quite literally cannot get my head around this. It makes no sense. Call me stupid or whatever. I’ve opted out of receiving child benefit now as my partner earns over £60 but how do we find out how much we will need to pay back? 😞

@BrutusMcDogface why do you have to pay anything back? Do you mean you only opted out once he went over £60K, not £50K?

BrutusMcDogface · 04/12/2022 09:35

Testina, yes. 😳

BrutusMcDogface · 04/12/2022 09:38

I don’t understand what you mean when you say it qualifies towards your state pension years, either.

BrutusMcDogface · 04/12/2022 09:39

Oh, and if you think I’m stupid, my DP doesn’t even know how to access his online payslips because he cba and is a man child.

LIZS · 04/12/2022 09:42

BrutusMcDogface · 04/12/2022 09:38

I don’t understand what you mean when you say it qualifies towards your state pension years, either.

Registering a claim adds to the claimant's ni history, whether they receive payments or not, until child is 12.

user564576 · 04/12/2022 09:44

@BrutusMcDogface if you don't work you're not making contributions towards your state pension, taking child benefit (whilst child is under 12) enables your child rearing years to contribute towards state pension. Moot point if you are already contributing if you work.

Testina · 04/12/2022 10:35

@BrutusMcDogface for your youngest child (born after 2013 changes) did you not fill in a form with a warning on page 1 about the £50K rule?

People are quick on here to say the government should be sending out letters (which costs money) but for anyone with child under 9, this is information available when they applied for CB.

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BrutusMcDogface · 04/12/2022 11:59

My child was born in December 2013. I’m not sure if he was earning over £50k then or not. He needs to get/look at his p60s. I’m sure it wasn’t relevant then or I wouldn’t have applied for her? I have had periods of not working so I guess that’s one thing, but I am working now.

thanks for your help, sorry for hijacking the thread.

Goldfishmountainclimber · 04/12/2022 12:20

I wondered how HMRC know who to send the letters to for people living together but paying PAYE and no other need to do a tax return. They would not necessarily be linked.

BrutusMcDogface · 04/12/2022 12:23

Goldfishmountainclimber · 04/12/2022 12:20

I wondered how HMRC know who to send the letters to for people living together but paying PAYE and no other need to do a tax return. They would not necessarily be linked.

This is us, I guess.

name78change · 04/12/2022 12:34

I've never been written to, my kids were born before 2013 but I've always known about the cut off so as I've edged closer Ive kept an eye on it. Im over £50k now but with pension contributions not over the amount although will need to see 22-23 p60 to be certain. Im PAYE and have no other reason to do a self assessment.

Testina · 04/12/2022 13:06

BrutusMcDogface · 04/12/2022 11:59

My child was born in December 2013. I’m not sure if he was earning over £50k then or not. He needs to get/look at his p60s. I’m sure it wasn’t relevant then or I wouldn’t have applied for her? I have had periods of not working so I guess that’s one thing, but I am working now.

thanks for your help, sorry for hijacking the thread.

The rules changed in January 2013, so presumably your boyfriend was earning under £50K at that point.

Testina · 04/12/2022 13:35

Goldfishmountainclimber · 04/12/2022 12:20

I wondered how HMRC know who to send the letters to for people living together but paying PAYE and no other need to do a tax return. They would not necessarily be linked.

And it’s more complicated than that, because it’s not based on parental income but income within the child’s household. So - mum moves a new boyfriend in, earning over £50K, he’s liable for HICBC.

In my case, would you want HMRC to write me me, my child’s father, his second wife, my second husband? Because HMRC don’t know which house my child is resident in, or if that changes. Don’t forget that you can claim CB in some circumstances for a child that doesn’t live with you.

You could write to all people claiming CB. But often it’s their partner who is liable for the tax, not them. Or you could go write to all people with PAYE or SA over £50K. 13% of the population. I actually don’t know if that’s 13% of working adults, or adults, or something else… but let’s say 70m population, 20% under 18 so 56m adults. 13% of 56m is 7.3m people. A second class stamp is 68p so that alone is £5m.

Do we want HMRC to spend £5m a year of our taxes pointing out something that changes 9 years ago, and for all children under 9 was written on the allocation form?

There’s the argument of offsetting that £5m against the wrongly claim CB of course. But some is clawed back anyway from SA (don’t underestimate the number of self employed!) or existing investigative measures. Tough on that individual but better than a £5m a year cost to the tax payer on a reminder letter which x% won’t even read. And that rather generously assumed that the wrong claims are innocent mistakes - which they’re not.
I don’t want to pay towards £5m reminder mailshots because some people didn’t read the form properly.

Maybe there’s a place for an information campaign for those with children born before 2013, but even then I’d only back that if the result was to stop incorrect as a whole - not because I worry about individuals who will anyway get a payment plan.

ArcticSkewer · 04/12/2022 13:45

They do sometimes still advertise - massive billboards in fact - plus the regular articles in the papers about it.
I can see how a childless partner moving in might not realise they need to pay it, but for anyone else there have been almost ten years of information campaigns

Snowingcatsaround · 04/12/2022 14:02

So what happens after the child reach its 12th birthday?
Also I’m confused is it Gross or Net of 50k?
I looked quick on gov web and it says net but I read everyone says 50k NET?

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toomuchlaundry · 04/12/2022 14:05

you can still claim child benefit once child hits 12, we are still claiming for DS who is 17 and in full-time education, but it doesn’t count towards the NI period for ‘working’ when calculating state pension

Scottishskifun · 04/12/2022 14:17

It catches quite a few people out when it was introduced the number of people who it impacted has risen considerably.

Get them to locate their P60s that will show what their income was easily and you can take it from there

It's a frustrating rule of 1 income as you say a couple can earn 98k but equal split and still be entitled to it.

I claim during mat leave for NI contributions then cancel it before the new tax year.

IndigoViolin · 04/12/2022 14:23

This thread has been timely as I have had in the back of my mind that this could impact us but having never thought earning 50k was a possibility, it wasn't something we paid attention to when our youngest was born 8 years ago and our household income was 15k!

Dh is salaried in the 30k range but his earnings can fluctuate a lot due to overtime. Had no idea he may have to do a tax return (never needed to do one before). I guess even if he hits 50k one year it will still be worth claiming as he could earn much less the next year.

caringcarer · 04/12/2022 14:29

They will accept a payment plan but they charge very high interest rate for privilege.

Testina · 04/12/2022 18:31

@Snowingcatsaround it doesn’t say net pay, it says “adjusted net pay”.

It isn’t your take home pay.

You start with your gross salary, and then there are certain things you can allow for - leaving you with a net adjustment. There are a few different things, but the big one for most people is pension.

So if you earn £60K, and you pay £10K into a pension then your adjusted net pay is £50K = you can claim all the CB.

For the 12 years… you know that to get a full state pension you have to have a set number of “qualifying years”, yes? So those are years when you’ve paid enough NI to count that as a qualifying year - which isn’t a huge amount, most people even part time do. But if you’re caring for a child up to the age of 12, and don’t earn enough to pay enough NI for that tax year to “qualify”, then the act of being registered for CB means you’re credited with a qualifying year anyway. Works for Carer’s Allowance too I think - without the age limit. The only significance to 12 is that most kids don’t need a parent at home then.

Snowingcatsaround · 04/12/2022 18:41

@Testina thank you.
so if am SaHM for 12 years and now my child will reach 12 next year, my NI credits won’t come anymore? Do I need to pay them myself?
Also during the 12 years I also was a carer and had a carer allowance for some years.
How does that crosses over with the CHB Credits? Now I’m not carer anymore - has it automatically shoots back to CHB credits?
I asked the carer office but they did not know at all.

Lemonlady22 · 04/12/2022 18:59

Oh no…all these people claiming child benefit when they shouldn’t be! Hopefully you will all pay in back so that all those pensioners can continue receiving their pension(which are not classified as a benefit) 🙄

BrutusMcDogface · 04/12/2022 23:39

We have P60s. There are a few years he wasn’t earning over 50k, and a few years he was. So we won’t be paying back as much as I’d thought (phew) but will still pay back some. Now to work out how much.

Headabovetheparakeet · 05/12/2022 13:43

Goldfishmountainclimber · 04/12/2022 12:20

I wondered how HMRC know who to send the letters to for people living together but paying PAYE and no other need to do a tax return. They would not necessarily be linked.

Lots of data points for this - the child benefit claim, any claim for TFC or Free Hours, registered PAYE address, Council records. I've even known HMRC to link two adults because someone took out credit to buy a sofa for someone else.

HMRC's powers are quite far reaching in terms of the information they can access about you, including your bank accounts.

Yesthatismychildsigh · 05/12/2022 13:51

dancingqueen123 · 03/12/2022 14:32

Why don't they just tell you?
I've had nothing from them.
He's not over £60k
Shit.

They have. The information has been widely publicised since the eligibility changed. I’m amazed you’re claiming you didn’t know.