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Retiring very early- what do I need to consider?

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BippityBobbityBoo · 28/07/2022 10:04

I’m 42 and planning to retire early, probably next year, I earn £40k. My DH is already retired and mortgage is paid off. We will probably downsize and will live off the proceeds, some savings and his small pension. He will get state pension in 5 years and I may do some small jobs to bring income (cleaning/care) My pension pot isn’t very big. What can I do to make sure I have a good pension? Thanks

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alanabennett · 28/07/2022 23:22

I don't mean this to sound snarky, but if your plan for retirement involves cleaning or care work to supplement your "small pension" and the state pension, you can't afford to retire. I honestly don't understand your logic in thinking this is a good idea.

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 28/07/2022 23:40

Why do you want to retire completely at such a young age? What are you going to do to fill your day / have a sense of achievement in your life?

Being able to retire in your early 40s is one hell of an achievement in itself.

Lots of people give up work much younger in their 20a and 30s to look after children and no one challenges that decision.

Anyone who can't imagine how someone would fill their day if not working doesn't have much of an imagination.

Life is short, if you can afford it, go for it OP. If retirement doesn't suit you for whatever reason, you can always work again, and so many volunteering opportunities if you don't need the money.

BippityBobbityBoo · 29/07/2022 01:04

alanabennett · 28/07/2022 23:22

I don't mean this to sound snarky, but if your plan for retirement involves cleaning or care work to supplement your "small pension" and the state pension, you can't afford to retire. I honestly don't understand your logic in thinking this is a good idea.

Why? , what can’t you imagine? I’ve made it clear that I’m at the beginning of a journey where I may need to supplement my income, what’s wrong with that?

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BippityBobbityBoo · 29/07/2022 01:06

seekingasimplelife · 28/07/2022 19:27

Many people enjoy working, being busy, progressing their career, feeling productive, buying lots of consumer goods, building their earning potential. These are mostly the expectations of our parents, school, work-life and society in general. The idea of being 'successful' is sold to us at a very young age!
Other people sooner or later realise that they dislike the corporate world, value independence, their time and the freedom to take life at a simpler, slower pace.

How is it done? Well, here's a very simplified example...
Suppose you begin work age 20 until age 40. You buy a modest house. Never take on debt other than a mortgage, which you pay off as quickly as possible. You save half of what you earn after the mortgage payments are accounted for and invest it in a stocks and shares portfolio. You also invest as much as possible in a pension (or several pensions).

By the time you reach 40, you own a property outright. You no longer have a mortgage or housing costs. You have no debt. You are used to living on half your salary. You have 20 years worth of savings invested. You have a pension pot.

So from age 40 you live off your savings for 15 years until you can access your pension age 55. Maybe you have a part time job which you enjoy, with minimal flexible hours and very little stress - because you know you are already financially secure. You top up your NI contributions to boost your state pension later in life.

Nobody else is paying for you for up to 60 years - it is a combination of prudent financial self-management, foresight, and a clear vision of which priorities are important to you. And these priorities mostly contradict the prevailing ethos.
It's also a different outlook on the utility of money and it's value. Money - viewed as time, the freedom to make choices and to provide security.

Wow! Lovely post which pretty sums up my path to here, thanks! X

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BippityBobbityBoo · 29/07/2022 01:09

Thanks I think you’re right and property is the way to go x

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CorvusPurpureus · 29/07/2022 01:28

BippityBobbityBoo · 29/07/2022 01:06

Wow! Lovely post which pretty sums up my path to here, thanks! X

But actually it doesn't, because you haven't been investing half your salary for 20 years?

It's a lovely dream but probably not where you are now.

BippityBobbityBoo · 29/07/2022 01:47

CorvusPurpureus · 29/07/2022 01:28

But actually it doesn't, because you haven't been investing half your salary for 20 years?

It's a lovely dream but probably not where you are now.

No I didn’t follow this example exactly but it’s a great post to demonstrate how early retirement is possible and how it Means more to some than others. I invested a lot of my salary too! Just not 50%

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BippityBobbityBoo · 29/07/2022 01:49

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 28/07/2022 23:40

Why do you want to retire completely at such a young age? What are you going to do to fill your day / have a sense of achievement in your life?

Being able to retire in your early 40s is one hell of an achievement in itself.

Lots of people give up work much younger in their 20a and 30s to look after children and no one challenges that decision.

Anyone who can't imagine how someone would fill their day if not working doesn't have much of an imagination.

Life is short, if you can afford it, go for it OP. If retirement doesn't suit you for whatever reason, you can always work again, and so many volunteering opportunities if you don't need the money.

aww thanks 😊

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BippityBobbityBoo · 29/07/2022 02:00

I just want to add, I’m in the planning stages of this . I (obviously!) haven’t thought it all through yet, that’s why I’m asking for advice

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Hermione101 · 29/07/2022 02:34

Good for you for looking at early retirement! The general rule of thumb is to withdraw 4% from your investments in perpetuity as income leaving the principal untouched.

seekingasimplelife · 29/07/2022 08:21

Crikeyalmighty · 28/07/2022 23:12

@seekingasimplelife Yes in principle I agree with you. To be honest I looked at your post 100% from my angle. I could have done this , but only on my own and either without children or as a single mum. When other adults are involved, I think it gets far harder to control the agenda - and whilst it's often easy to be on the same page early on - people can change -- my H for instance seems to have morphed from quite a bohemian non materialistic 30 year old to a 58 year old who will only live in nice areas, stay in very good hotels, drive a nice car etc- and prioritises this totally over saving or security - although he will inherit a reasonable amount. None of this is down to me- and it has caused arguments too - it's like childbirth- the theory for me of what it would be like - was very different to the reality

I can see how that might be difficult and cause some tension and worry. It sounds as if your H is having an extended mid life crisis!
In your situation, I would be be tempted to take a different tack

Don't despair; savings are after all, only one way of storing up wealth. Tax efficient, yes but there are alternatives.
If you are buying a house, (but perhaps you are renting) there's a secure store of wealth there, especially if it's in a nice area. It can provide an income in old age through equity release or downsizing.

H needs a nice shiny new car? Well of course, you do, darling - but what about me? Well, I need some lovely shiny expensive new, gold jewellery - and lots of it. Some for Christmas, and more for birthdays, and of course some to wear for those expensive hotel dinners.... Gold is one of the oldest and most reliable stores of wealth - and your H can hardly spend it easily once you have it.

And it's not too late to start building your own pension pot - even if you don't have paid work. Some schemes take a minimum payment of just £16 a month - topped up to £20 by tax relief.

In the meantime, just relax and enjoy the benefits of the nice lifestyle.
There's more than one way to skin a turnip....

RedHelenB · 29/07/2022 08:53

BippityBobbityBoo · 28/07/2022 14:49

I also think the next 10/20 years can be flexible and if we have any shortfall we can bridge the gap. I was more concerned with not been destitute in my own old age. I don’t think I will be

Will £20 000 be enough if you don't own your own home? I can't imagine you'd want to live on a narrow boat on your own as a pensioner? Just something else to consider.

Retirebeforefifty2023 · 29/07/2022 09:05

Hi OP. I am similar to you in that I am married to an older man (15 years). However, we met later on in life and had our children when I was in my early thirties. They will be heading off to University in a couple of years. We are in the early planning stages of what our future might look like as we both yearn to be free spirits and fancy cars, designer clothes and new kitchens etc are not how we want to spend our money or time acquiring. You don't mention the age of your adult children and if you have had to include them at all in your future endeavours financially. We both have public service pensions husband is in receipt of his and this has a 50% widow's pension. We intend to downsize and give each child 100k and buy a smaller property (we too are up north). We have been accidental landlords in the past (we both had houses when we met so we rented out one) and it wasn't for us we found it too stressful. The only thing that I will be doing differently from you is that I intend to go back to University and do a masters in a totally different field and I hope to work in this field remotely (I am aware it will be for a lot less money). My advice is to go for it and make it work but like me, you are the younger of the two in the couple so you could try and morph out a different career path which would fit into your new lifestyle more and supplement your income too. Good luck.

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