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Husband used our savings - what to do now?

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BojoGo · 25/06/2022 11:05

A WWYD question with a bit of context. Sorry this is long. Also I know a lot of this is first world problems as we are both employed and not on benefits so very fortunate and I know so many are struggling worse than us. I don't mean to sound entitled and I hope that I am not.

My husband works in a job that has bonuses awarded annually for exceptional work. Last year he was awarded the top bonus which after tax came to around £20k. He was notified about the bonus at Xmas and the money came through in Jan. We were v happy as whilst we both work we have DC and like everyone the usual costs and the money was going to make a huge difference to us. We had a historical loan which we've been paying off, and our plan is to eventually get a family home (we are currently saving for a larger deposit) but where we live (SE) family homes are expensive.

Anyway we talked through how we would allocate the money to pay off our loan quicker and reduce our monthly outgoings which would be a massive burden off our shoulders and allow us to start setting money aside each month for deposit savings, and a tiny bit for a well earned holiday as we had our DC in Covid and like everyone were very keen to get a break.

In January, without my knowledge my husband invested the lions share of the money in some stocks and shares, crypto and NFTs. At the time he says he was convinced this was a no brainer as everything was on the up. Then Ukraine happened and stocks and shares / crypto plummeted. Long story short, we still have the investments but they are now worth a tiny fraction of when he invested, so we can't withdraw the money.

He confessed what he had done at the time. Needless to say I was absolutely bloody furious, hurt, betrayed that he had made this unilateral decision, and without talking to me. His actions have meant that instead of that little bit of security we now have no back up. We now have continued loan repayments each month where we could have got rid of those. It also affects our credit rating which is not great and if we had paid off our loan we would have been able to bring it up quicker. Now we are in a precarious position I feel in terms of credit rating / seeking larger mortgage in the future. Above all I am someone who feels very insecure without a little bit of savings set aside in case of disaster / redundancy / unexpected events.

At the time in Feb we had a major falling out and I took time to absorb what he'd done. He was absolutely out of order and I was livid. He was never trying to justify his actions. He said he had been bloody stupid, and he let ideas of investing in crypto run away with him, and stupidly thought we would double our money as things looked so good in Jan. He accepts that regardless, he should have spoken to me. He apologises every week and feels bad. I'm still pissed off as what with cost of living we are having to really cut back even more now and have zero money for extras. First world problems I know, as we are just about able to pay our monthly mortgage and bills as it stands, but we are really having to cut back in our outgoings, groceries etc. We won't be able to have our longed for holiday this year, and are struggling to afford any extras at all such as haircuts, dd birthday etc. I know many people are in this position, so don't mean to sound entitled at all. But it's so frustrating as we had the money and didn't need to be in this position.

Anyway I've had to decide whether to keep being angry or move forward. I take my marriage vows seriously and whilst he's been a total idiot and disrespected us, at the same time I know in his stupid mind at the time he thought he was helping our family. He is beyond remorseful and everyone makes mistakes. So I'm now trying to move forward with him as a team.

There is a possibility that husband might be awarded another bonus next January. Times are hard so we are not banking on his company doing do, but he had his annual review and his manager said it looks very likely as he's had another great year, is a top performer at work and never has time off etc. If he did receive the next bonus that would obviously be great, but a) it's not until January and b) no guarantees. Husband says he would pay the whole lot into my account. He's not going to make the same mistake again as he's learnt his lesson but wants me to 100% trust him.

So in the meantime we have no savings, no extras, and loan repayments every month. It's feeling really difficult and I'm always scared in case an unexpected thing comes up.

This brings me to my question. Throughout all of this drama I have forgotten that a few years ago before we got married I put £5000 in an ISA account. As I said I can't sleep at night if I know there's no rainy day money, so hence I did this and promptly left it. I didn't think about it as in my mind it was a little nest egg not to be touched. I can't believe I forgot about it but I did. I don't receive letters about it and haven't looked at the online app for a year or so. However i received a notification and I've just checked and it's still there. I haven't told husband yet - plan to do so later but just want to get my thoughts straight.

Do we withdraw this money to pay down our loan and get our monthly repayments down? Or do I leave the £5k in the ISA so we have an emergency fund? I'm torn as it gives us that buffer in case of emergency but on the other hand getting our loan down would help us out each month so much.

I know husband will immediately say pay down the loan, as the repayments are stressing us both out, and he doesn't have the same mentality as me about having a safety net in savings.

What with cost of living crisis I am getting scared basically. Thanks for reading if you got this far.

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FemmeNatal · 25/06/2022 12:57

PeekabooAtTheZoo · 25/06/2022 12:55

Worst advice ever.

How so?

CinnamonJellyBeans · 25/06/2022 13:04

If your DH gets 20K bonus, then how can you not afford an annual holiday with the rest of his earnings: They must be in excess of 60-70K?

I think you need to re-balance your spending/saving priorities. If you're both working, then you really ought to be able to afford a holiday. Owning your own home is indeed desirable, but you sound like you can afford to do the things that "make memories" and give you both a break.

If you're insisting on financial transparency, which is fair enough, you need to tell him about the ISA. I'd actually take it out and spend it on a holiday.

I think you should both sign up to a credit check agency, like credit karma, share the passwords and have fair and open access to each other's account/loans/savings information. as and when you wish to look, which will could prevent this happening again. This is hopefully as far as you need to go.

Is there a possibility that you're holding so tightly to the purse-strings that your husband's spending is curtailed to the point where he did something rash? Was he feeling resentful that he was going to see very little of "his" bonus? When my husband gets a bonus or small windfall, I don't consider it part of the household finances. He'll generally spend it on us, but I always insist that he treats himself - after all, he has gone over and above to get it. Similarly, if I earn a bit extra, I would earmark most of it for family/DC, but I will also treat myself to something just for me.

No one died, it's not cancer, just a stupid decision. I'd forgive him, put it behind you and move on.

Crazykatie · 25/06/2022 13:04

I would leave the IAS where it is as a reserve, cut down lifestyle to the bare bones and hope for another windfall.

Even with the £20k that went astray your finances weren’t good, as others have said a bonus that big points to a high income, where is it all going?. Big decisions need to be made, you don’t need an IFA you need to save and pay off the existing loans.

Its easy to get seduced by the promise of a big return don’t fall for it, there are a lot of sales sharks that will take your money knowing full well it’s going to drop, they don’t care and are happy to take the commission on the deal.

BojoGo · 25/06/2022 13:05

Ok thanks. Not sure how I seem disorganised other than not remembering the ISA of course. We have done a detailed budget and are constantly revisiting it. We've really cut down.

I don't know why people are assuming very high earner? Yes we earn a lot but we live in SE. Combined household income £70k before this bonus. We do own a property to the pp who questioned that, buts it's a flat and we are aiming for a house with garden.

I know 70k household income seems high but where we live property is expensive so we spend a lot on mortgage, plus bills etc. we've cut down other direct debits Netflix etc but it's all just a tiny chip away at it.

I think the pp who says the rainy day is now is right, and we should use the ISA to reduce our interest payments. It will help us wipe the debt quicker in the long run and get our credit rating better. It would make a big difference each month.

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Precipice · 25/06/2022 13:06

In regards to the previous post: the issue with removing money from investments that have gone down is that you actualise the loss. Currently, the loss is theoretical: the value of your share has gone down, but your number of shares is the same and the value of shares changes. Once you sell out, there is an actual loss because the money you bought for < money you get for selling. It may actually be worth it to actualise the loss, depending on how much of it you've lost, what you expect to happen to those shares and how you can use the money elsewhere, but it varies.

(For example, not long ago I sold an investment fund I had through a bank that had decreased, because while I was confident that it would eventually go back up, I expected it to take a very long time, and I could get the money equivalent to recouping my original investment through just taking that money out and putting it in a savings account for a while. Obviously my loss there was much less than OP's husband's loss on crypto.)

Precipice · 25/06/2022 13:08

"I know husband will immediately say pay down the loan, as the repayments are stressing us both out," He'll say this now that it's your money, but not when it was his bonus?

TimeToChangeItUpNow · 25/06/2022 13:08

It depends, how much is left to pay off on the loan?

darceysmom · 25/06/2022 13:12

How much is your mortgage? How much are your bills? What are you bringing home after tax? What is the debt? Do you have high childcare costs?

Neffers · 25/06/2022 13:14

I earn over 100k and my annual bonus is just under 20% gross. I’m not in a bank or anything like that. If you’re combined salary is 70k and “assuming” an equal salary split, are you saying he received a bonus just less than his salary? If so, that’s amazing. I’m sorry to hear he made such a bad choice.

Neffers · 25/06/2022 13:15

20k gross and your! Autocorrect on full mode today!

greywinds · 25/06/2022 13:17

Agree your rainy day is now, liquidate the Isa - he's learned a hard lesson and fingers crossed he does get that Jan bonus.

Iwouldlikesomecake · 25/06/2022 13:19

I mean I want to know what job you can do that is less than £70k where they give you a £20k in your pocket bonus!!

Household income £70k isn’t that much and definitely not in the south east. Assuming an equal footing that’s £35k each which in the public sector would be very achievable as a nurse or a teacher particularly if you work in London even if you commute out. Which in itself is expensive. So I can totally see how you’d end up with debt or no savings on that money especially with children in the house to consider. So don’t feel bad about that side of things!!

I’d probably get rid of the loan to just get it done tbh. It will increase your monthly available money and decrease your stress and also improve your credit rating. Then you can start rebuilding your savings. If you forgot you had that money, you haven’t been factoring it in to your thinking for the last however long anyway.

DomPerignon12 · 25/06/2022 13:25

Surely if you’re THAT worried about the debt you can just sell the flat and pay it off?
70K combined isn’t that high in the SE. Given that the national average salary is 35K, in places like the NW its a fortune but in the SE I’d say at least 100K combined is needed.

You need to sit down and work out what your goals are, when you plan to buy, if ever. If your salaries sont increase you’ll never save up enough to buy the sort of house you want. There’s no point in the ‘house with garden’ when your children are teens and going to spend more time out then in it.

perimenofertility · 25/06/2022 13:25

Your husband did something ridiculously stupid but you say he is genuinely remorseful about it so if you can find a way then forgive and move on. Try to think of it as money you didn’t have to begin with and therefore the loss is manageable. Then fingers crossed for that bonus next January!
As for your ISA, you forgot you had it so it wasn’t giving you that back-up reassurance. You are much better off clearing your debts than having the savings. Use it to pay off your loan. The sooner you clear debts and build your credit score, the closer you will be to buying when that next bonus comes for your deposit fund.
Perhaps - and I mean this kindly - you and DH would benefit from some financial management training or see if you can get some free financial advice? With a joint income of £70K, even in the SE, you shouldn’t be struggling for haircut and birthday presents. I’m also in the SE, on a single income of half of yours and am managing.

DomPerignon12 · 25/06/2022 13:26

Also to add yes, liquidate the ISA.
your property is your rainy day last resort

DomPerignon12 · 25/06/2022 13:26

perimenofertility · 25/06/2022 13:25

Your husband did something ridiculously stupid but you say he is genuinely remorseful about it so if you can find a way then forgive and move on. Try to think of it as money you didn’t have to begin with and therefore the loss is manageable. Then fingers crossed for that bonus next January!
As for your ISA, you forgot you had it so it wasn’t giving you that back-up reassurance. You are much better off clearing your debts than having the savings. Use it to pay off your loan. The sooner you clear debts and build your credit score, the closer you will be to buying when that next bonus comes for your deposit fund.
Perhaps - and I mean this kindly - you and DH would benefit from some financial management training or see if you can get some free financial advice? With a joint income of £70K, even in the SE, you shouldn’t be struggling for haircut and birthday presents. I’m also in the SE, on a single income of half of yours and am managing.

Are you a homeowner?

DomPerignon12 · 25/06/2022 13:26

Also do you have free childcare?

Aquamarine1029 · 25/06/2022 13:27

Do you have proof of these investments? Is that actually what he did with that money?

You're a better person than I am, because I would probably kill my husband if he did this, and it's not so much the amount of money lost, it's the betrayal and exclusion I don't think I could get over. It's hard to believe that he pulled this stunt without having some form for this kind of thing in the past.

I'm another who doesn't understand how your financial standing is so poor. Where is all of your money going?

Mumdiva99 · 25/06/2022 13:33

I would keep the 5k as rainy day. For when a boiler needs fixing, or a child needs a laptop for school etc etc. If you pay down the loan you will find you still have no money for savings as the cost of living goes up. At the moment you are cutting your cloth according to what you have.....continue to do that.

Headabovetheparakeet · 25/06/2022 13:41

If you're paying interest on the loan, it makes sense to prioritise paying that off rather than save. How much do you have left to pay?

Beautiful3 · 25/06/2022 13:46

Everyone needs an emergency buffer. Keep it for just in case.

BadNomad · 25/06/2022 13:50

Sort that loan out. Pay part of it off then move the rest to 0% interest. It doesn't have to be the full £5k.

Wnikat · 25/06/2022 13:51

if the interest rate on the loan is more than the interest rate on the ISA (it will be) then yes you should pay the loan off

FemmeNatal · 25/06/2022 13:58

Precipice · 25/06/2022 13:06

In regards to the previous post: the issue with removing money from investments that have gone down is that you actualise the loss. Currently, the loss is theoretical: the value of your share has gone down, but your number of shares is the same and the value of shares changes. Once you sell out, there is an actual loss because the money you bought for < money you get for selling. It may actually be worth it to actualise the loss, depending on how much of it you've lost, what you expect to happen to those shares and how you can use the money elsewhere, but it varies.

(For example, not long ago I sold an investment fund I had through a bank that had decreased, because while I was confident that it would eventually go back up, I expected it to take a very long time, and I could get the money equivalent to recouping my original investment through just taking that money out and putting it in a savings account for a while. Obviously my loss there was much less than OP's husband's loss on crypto.)

That makes no sense. Holding on to a risky asset rather than closing it out gains you nothing, it only continues to expose you to risk. It’s as likely to go down as up next.

If you would not take cash now and buy that portfolio then you shouldn’t hold it.

AstonishingMouse · 25/06/2022 13:59

Do you think it was a one off monumentally stupid decision?
Or a symptom of something larger, either a poor relationship with money and / or a reflection of his relationship with you? Have there been other incidents? Do you have a joint account or access to his account? Can you see how he spends money, do you share money fairly?
I don't think a joint account is usually essential, but in this circumstance he needs to demonstrate his commitment to financial transparency in some way.

In terms of the money, try and think about what irregular expenses might occur. Do you have, and need to have a car - if so, think about repair costs. Boiler or roof repair? Washing machine or cooker repair / replacement? Birthday and Christmas presents - even if you keep these modest? When you think about your budget and the savings you have, leave some money for irregular but inevitable expenses.