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dogmumma · 20/02/2022 17:53

Hello!

Me and my husband brought a new build property 5 years ago this October, and were due to start repaying the interest from this October, which we were fully aware of and understood. What I didn't realise is all the complexities of wanting to repay the loan/remortgage etc. involving conveyancers, solicitors etc. seems mental that something that was meant to help young first time buyers had so many hidden terms and conditions. I had no idea it would be this complex. Or that they'd get a proportional share of the value of your house at the time of repayment. It's basically a helping hand with lots of ties attached. Feeling a little stupid... which I'd held out longer and saved the additional myself..

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needabreak5 · 20/02/2022 19:53

Agree! We had originally thought we'd take the loan into our mortgage at the 5 year point (just passed), but we couldn't face the hassle so currently paying interest, we are hopeful to try and sort it in another 5 years when current mortgage deal ends...

ForensicAccountant · 20/02/2022 23:03

Bear in mind the interest rate on your equity loan will go up every year by RPI plus 1% from Year 7.

sonypony · 21/02/2022 08:34

We're just paying it off too. They make it as irritating, time consuming and expensive as they can to do so. £200 fee to them for paying it off Hmm expensive RICS valuation and solicitor is costing hundreds. I consider it a big financial mistake we made. If I could go back in time I wouldn't have done it. At the moment I'm mostly concerned about how long it takes target to do anything.

TheZeppo · 21/02/2022 17:51

Yes, Target definitely take their time (and couldn’t answer most of my questions)!

I found it hard to figure it out (posted on here at the time!) but in the end it was relatively simple.

RICS valuation- submit that with Form B- pay £200 ‘admin’ fee- let your solicitor do the rest.

I think the five years interest free bit is disingenuous. Most properties rise in value so they get their uplift there.

CollegeDoctor · 21/02/2022 20:23

We bought a flat in London with the scheme 6 years ago. Managed to pay the loan off 2 years ago. But truly i think the scheme is a scam, a stitch up between the house builders and the government. 1. to sell more houses . 2 meet government targets 3. raise tax

  1. they sell you this dream that when the property rises in value you can pay off the equity loan with it. Realistically if your equity loan is anwhere over 100k you won't be able to do that. 1stly the house was sold at a premium as it was new build so will loose money in the 1st 2 years especially if its a flat
2ndly if its a flat in london @ 400k a 100k increase is unlikely unless its in central london and then it wont be help to buy anyway.

The government also are helping themselves, if this was truly a selfless act why would they have a stake in the value of the home. Why not just allow the home owner to pay back what was lent.

As you've mentioned, the amount of red tape they put in place in order for the average person to pay a chunk or the whole thing off. It's almost like they don't want you to. Not mentioning you have to pay £200+ every time you want to make a payment.

isitbedtimeplease · 21/02/2022 20:43

I'm feeling stupid now
I'm two years into mine.
I'm real man's terms... what does thus mean for me in three years when it's up?
It was 60k.... what is my monthly interest payment likely to be and what hoops do I need to jump through at the time??

QforCucumber · 25/02/2022 13:21

As per a PP we found it relatively straightforward in the end.

Our RICS surveyor actually asked us what we wanted him to value the house at, we are in the NE, he looked around locally and found that the prices hadn't increased too much so valued it the same as purchase price.

We were remortgaging and added the H2B valuation amount to the mortgage (had overpaid a little over the 5 years so were fine in loan to value range)

The entire process had already been explained to us though on application by our Mortgage Advisor - so we were well prepared for an increase in the potential payback etc. I find it a little odd that people are happy to take out a loan of that high of a value without knowing the terms of it.

Definitelynotem · 27/02/2022 01:27

Tbh we have one and are pretty clear on what we need to do as we researched this before taking it out. Of course there will be costs involved, but it helped us to buy a larger property as our first home which has saved us a fortune in stamp duty and moving costs. I don’t think it’s a bad idea but it does need to be set out properly to buyers. We were fortunate that we had a good mortgage advisor and online resources but appreciate that might not have been the case when the scheme first launched as we only bought last year.

dogmumma · 27/02/2022 13:24

Thank you for the reply's!

Our fixed mortgage isn't up for another 3 years. I spoke to someone who said about taking out a loan to run concurrently alongside your mortgage and then when able to remortgage, add it onto the mortgage then?? But before adding it onto the mortgage or even getting a loan to pay it off we have to get a surveyor and solicitor involved? And find that money from somewhere in a time when everything is doubling in price!

It all just seems so complex.
And frustrating. Also, am i right in thinking many high street banks won't allow you to add the H2B loan onto the mortgage? It was all explained so so poorly to us, we believed that after the 5 years, we started paying off the loan alongside our mortgage, I had no idea we'd only be repaying interest and that to repay it we'd have to jump through so many hoops and pay out to surveyors/solicitors etc.

How was the scheme helpful?? Surely, they should of introduced 5% mortgages again for first time buyers, and just made it affordable that way??

Feeling pee'vd.

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Definitelynotem · 27/02/2022 13:33

We went with Halifax and decided to fix for 5 years so that we could remortgage straight away. Halifax told us that they did allow you to add the loan to the mortgage, so might be worth trying them?

WombatChocolate · 27/02/2022 13:54

Like a lot of schemes which make things more affordable for those without the upfront money, there is a sting in the tail and ultimately it costs more.

There have been loads of threads about these properties. Where they have value and merit, is in scenarios where someone will never be able to buy on the open market….and that means never, even if they saved really hard for multiple years. For people who can’t access any family help at all or won’t be able to save the necessary deposit or get a mortgage for the multiples needed, it can be a leg onto the property ladder.

However, loads of people go the Help to Buy route, who could have avoided it and all the pitfalls mentioned here. People get lured in by the shiny new build, the chance to buy perhaps a couple of years earlier, and the idea of lower repayments to start with. People often get lured in who haven’t even been saving for a deposit for long…they didn’t expect to buy for a couple more years, but then these scheme tell you, you can have it right now and right now it won’t be expensive. It’s just too tempting. People who go for it, to be honest aren’t the most money savvy.

What would be better for lots of people who have a reasonably paid job or 2 incomes, would be to look harder into properties they could afford without help to buy, even if it means saving hard for another year or 2. Going instead for oerhaos an ex-council house, or something a bit shabby which needs some work makes more financial sense. These don’t have the new build premium, which results usually in no gain in equity for a couple of years at least and often a loss, and crucially don’t bring the downsides of stair casing costs with some scheme where you buy a bigger share, or remortgaging into standard mortgages from help to buy. At the 5 year point, those who’ve bought something a bit shabby or ex local authority or less good area, might find they have added value, gained equity, have a pay rise etc and are ready to sell up and move on. It’s easier than in a shared ownership or help to buy place. Or they might be staying and remortgaging without all the hidden costs and aggro.

Obviously doesn’t help those who are just realising the downsides. But for anyone on this thread considering it….just look a bit more at the local market first. Shiny new builds look lovely but aren’t necessary. Some of those flats are tiny tiny and for less money on the open market, you’d get bigger, with less chance to lose value due to new build premium. Expect to be saving for a deposit for several years. If property is something you’d an get after 6 mo this saving, because your share will be very low and so the deposit is tiny, you really haven’t saved enough. Expect to save ha4 a bit longer….becaue it’s worth it in the long term.

Only those for whom there isn’t and will never be an alternative should use these schemes. For everyone else, the big winners are the house builders who find a ready supply of people who pay a premium for nee builds, thinking they’ve got a bargain because if the government money…but realise a bit later the true costs if the scheme.

WombatChocolate · 27/02/2022 13:57

It’s a bit like all the lease schemes for cars. Who is the real winner? It’s the car manufacturers and dealerships who have a steady market for brand new cars with people taking on a new lease every 3 years. The customer get a shiny new car at a monthly affordable price, but over time pays far more than they would if they bought a 3 year old decent and reliable car and and kept it for 10 years.

But this, and also buying a property without the government schemes requires saving up and doing without whilst you’re doing it. People don’t like to wait and they like to be told they ‘deserve’ shiny and new, so the car and house builders find an easy market, to attract to the seemingly cheap on monthly terms cars and properties, which over time are hugely more expensive. Hey ho.

LizDoingTheCanCan · 27/02/2022 14:14

H2B was only ever about keeping house prices artificially high and allowing property developers to make massive profits.

The BBC recently showed a documentary called the Decade the Rich Won. Well worth a watch.

GM21 · 01/03/2022 18:55

Hey! Can anyone help, ours is due to end next year and we want to start paying it off not just the interest. I know we need a solicitor for this and need to pay for a valuation. How much all in all did it cost in fees if you have done this? Thanks!!

Also regretting our decision to get the help to buy as we wasn't advised of any of these hidden costs when applying 😣😡

WombatChocolate · 01/03/2022 19:25

It really is ‘buyer beware’. It is up to you to read the paperwork carefully and research into the costs of the next stages. Unfortunately many buying on these schemes are not very financially literate and caught up in the excitement if buying and finding it seems affordable…and don’t really look into the longer term consequences.

Hopefully some people considering these schemes are reading these threads and realising there are more costs at the next stage. Sometimes there isn’t any other option and those costs have to be swallowed to become home owners. Lots though, probably buy something without the scheme if they waited a bit longer and saved. It is those people who usually regret the decision more.

The thing is, a scheme which looks too good to be true will be. It’s not free money and you essentially pay more over time for the luxury of being able to buy and get a home, when you can’t really afford it via the normal route. Plus, because you always have to get new builds on these schemes, those who can least afford a new build premium, end up paying it somewhere along the line.

I would strongly advise anyone considering it to look at their own finances and capability to save over the next year or so, along with spending time to fully understand what’s involved at the next stage and the costs involved. Sometimes you have to push the developers for actual figures so you can grasp it. Only then, once you’ve got that info can you compare to buying on the open market. It still will be the best if only option for some people, but for many, when they see all the longer term figures stacked up, they realise it’s not their best option.

I think of it as the modern day HP scheme or never-never scheme. Those who can’t afford to buy using the traditional route get a bit shafted and pay more over time. Feels like it’s always been like this and there will always be some new housing, furniture or car scheme to lure those who can’t afford to buy using traditional methods in, and to pay more.

parkrunner1977 · 01/03/2022 19:34

I had a H2B loan and paid it off Jan 21 after 3.5 years. Fee was £200, surveyor £240, and the sol was about £900 or £1000. The surveyor valued it quite conservatively so it cost me only £3,000 on top of what I'd borrowed. I then sold my house in June for £48k more than I paid which would have cost me a lot more on the loan redemption!

My mortgage advisor went through it all with me when I was purchasing the house and the fees/interest/redemption steps were all explained before I signed up so I was fully aware. I'm grateful for it as it gave me a massive step up the property ladder and I had a house I could never have afforded otherwise.

user1487194234 · 01/03/2022 20:18

For most people these schemes are not a good idea
They are great for Buiders though

Dirtystreetpie · 25/08/2022 00:09

parkrunner1977 · 01/03/2022 19:34

I had a H2B loan and paid it off Jan 21 after 3.5 years. Fee was £200, surveyor £240, and the sol was about £900 or £1000. The surveyor valued it quite conservatively so it cost me only £3,000 on top of what I'd borrowed. I then sold my house in June for £48k more than I paid which would have cost me a lot more on the loan redemption!

My mortgage advisor went through it all with me when I was purchasing the house and the fees/interest/redemption steps were all explained before I signed up so I was fully aware. I'm grateful for it as it gave me a massive step up the property ladder and I had a house I could never have afforded otherwise.

Yes to the above as long as you understand what you are going into when you take it out and have a solid plan it can be beneficial. You should never borrow money without reading all the terms and understanding the conditions for repayment

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