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Buy or lease a car?

53 replies

Boobahs · 03/11/2021 20:40

I'm toying with the idea of leasing a car in the near future as I really need to swap mine. We have approximately £4000 left on a personal loan which pays for both our cars at the moment. I could sell mine, pay off the loan and then pay the same monthly rate for the lease of a newer car.

Looking for a medium SUV such a Qashqai, Tucson, Sportage type of size. I'm not bothered about it being brand new.

Does anyone here lease a car? How do you find it? Is it a good idea?

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Africa2go · 03/11/2021 22:51

We've looked at this & run the numbers and leasing is always more expensive - unless you're buying what I'd call luxury cars (Range Rovers, Jaguars etc) where depreciation on new cars is massive. It just depends whether you're happy to pay that extra for convenience / peace of mind about unexpected costs etc.

If you buy 2 or 3 year old models, invariably you take over the manufacturers model so you get some peace of mind regarding reliability.

maddy68 · 03/11/2021 23:00

We lease one as it's a tax advantage depends on your circumstances

SushiGo · 03/11/2021 23:04

Bear in mind the price of second hand cars has shot up, so I would do your sums carefully.

orangespotatoes · 03/11/2021 23:11

We lease a car. For us, we wanted to try out a fully electric car without the commitment of a huge outlay for something which mightn't have worked well for us long term (we don't have a driveway, so nowhere for at-home charging. We rely on the public charging network.) Living in London, our insurance would have been eye watering even with just a basic run around but with the lease it's an all-in-one cost. With two young kids and very busy lives/little time for admin, having everything like insurance, servicing, roadside etc taken care of has taken so much off our plate. I don't love that obviously we hand in back after the period but for now it suits our lives really well.

jackstini · 03/11/2021 23:17

We have leased 7 out of our last 8 cars

We usually change every 3 years so I just choose based on the figures

Work out 3 years lease including first (usually higher) payment. We don't usually include servicing but road tax is in there

Then work out 3 years of pcp payments plus deposit, plus road tax.

If there is a balloon payment option then compare that to the depreciation estimate (there are online calculators) as sometimes you can sell for more than the balloon payment and make a bit
Places like Motorway will give you an actual 'buy' price at the time. If it's more than the final payment they pay that off, arrange a dealer to take the car, and give you the difference

Come up with a final total for each scenario
Go with whichever is best

BarbaraofSeville · 04/11/2021 04:42

@Fireflygal

The only positive is not having to worry about scratches and dents

How fussy are the standards on return? I always worry about the slight scratches which just happen when it's parked.

Look up the BVRLA fair wear and tear guide.

I sent back a PCP car that was quite scruffy with a couple of biggish scrapes in the paintwork and numerous minor scratches and door dings and they said all of it except one of the bigger scrapes was fair wear and tear and I got a bill for £60 for that.

This has changed a lot over the years, probably due to the development of cheap cosmetic refurbishment technology and people are worrying about things that don't happen any more.

I sent back a work lease car about 20 years ago and got charged £240 for a tiny dent which I was very annoyed about, but these days they can just pop it out and it costs nothing to fix.

Cocoaone · 04/11/2021 07:21

I just leased for the first time. I like to change my car every 4/5 years anyway, and worked out that leasing was only slightly more expensive than what I was losing in depreciation. Plus my last car had work costing £2k a year outside of warranty, which was gutting. A new car gives me peace of mind, is more economical and saves me time in trips to the garage (even if just for MOTs)
Works well for me, but 'D'H just put a ding in the door so that will need fixing before handing back 🙄

Starpleck · 04/11/2021 07:26

It might depend who you use, but I had scuffed 3 of the alloys, had some scratches and stuff and was only charged £30- although admittedly they were small and mainly caused by stones whilst driving and country lanes where the pull in has scratchy branches nearby. There does seem to be a reasonable amount of fair wear and tear before you get into being charged for fixes.

Fireflygal · 04/11/2021 07:43

@SushiGo, yes! I know someone who bought a new car and drove it for a few weeks and sold it for more. Admittedly this is due to Covid factors as lead times on new cars have increased.

sar302 · 04/11/2021 08:08

Where are people leasing cars from? We're considering a lease for an electric car, and would love some site recommendations

Moonshine11 · 04/11/2021 08:13

We've leased our last two cars.
I don't think I'd go back to buying out right.
Owning a car isn't important to us but we like to have brand new every couple of year.
Warranty, no major issues, no MOT, breakdown cover.
Yes you have to hand it back in the condition it came in but long as you look after it your fine.

Moonshine11 · 04/11/2021 08:13

@sar302

Where are people leasing cars from? We're considering a lease for an electric car, and would love some site recommendations
Select car leasing for us
spotcheck · 04/11/2021 08:15

I lease under the Peugeot Just Add Fuel and have done for years and years.
All insurance, servicing, big repairs covered. I trade it in every 3 years. I pay 230.
I've scratched and dinged every car I've had. It's been fine. One had a bit more major damage, but they sorted it, and even managed for me to keep my no claims.

I like that I don't have to worry about extra repairs etc. I hate the worry of having an older car.

antsinyourpanta · 04/11/2021 08:23

How fussy are the standards on return? I always worry about the slight scratches which just happen when it's parked.

A friend had a lease car which he returned last year. He paid (I think) £500 to have some scuffs on the wheels/hub caps repaired as the lease company would have charged more to get them repaired. When he gave it back the guy had a monitor/reader that he scanned the car with, that measured the thickness of the paint to check if any repairs or respray had been done.

antsinyourpanta · 04/11/2021 08:28

Bear in mind the price of second hand cars has shot up, so I would do your sums carefully.

I was planning on buying a second hand car this year but prices have definitely gone up, and less availability so hoping my car holds out a bit longer and prices stabilise next year. Someone I know bought a second hand car last year and recently sold it back to the garage for more than they paid for it.

Soontobe60 · 04/11/2021 08:39

Just be aware that currently it’s almost impossible to get hold of a car! By that I mean second hand cars are rising in price at an alarming rate, so if you’re selling, you may well get a good price and be able to pay off your loan with some cash to spare. But if you’re fussy about what car you want to lease, you may have a long wait ahead of you.
My DH ordered his new lease car in April, he still hasn’t got it and they’ve told him it will now probably be after Christmas. There’s a world wide shortage of a particular component which is slowing down production. I guess if you’re not fussy and are happy to lease whatever may be available then you’ll be fine. My lease car is due to be returned in March, but I’ve decided to extend the lease for another year until the whole new car situation is rectified.

Alarae · 04/11/2021 09:01

We bought our 2015 Honda Civic two years ago with 43k miles on it. If I add up maintenance/MOT to the purchase cost, its cost £291 for 24 months.

So realistically we've paid off the car in two years and now our only future payments will be MOT/service at ~£300 per year.

Unless you are driving a flashy car I've not really understood leasing as it always seems more expensive with nothing to show at the end.

Yesthatscorrect · 04/11/2021 09:08

We need a new car and I looked into leasing. There's at least a four month lead time to get the car as nothing in stock that I would consider. So we decided to buy a three yr old car instead. It will be more expensive but they're offering us nearly 5k for our car. We bought our car 6 years ago for 9k so you can see how much we would have lost if we'd leased instead of bought.

Duckgoesquackquack · 04/11/2021 11:29

@sar302 Onto

jackstini · 04/11/2021 18:27

@sar302 I have found the best site us this one - it compares loads of companies and you can put various parameters in

leasing.com/?gclid=CjwKCAjwiY6MBhBqEiwARFSCPqrTJUEBANaUeKLQQsBRqq9gHaLvlpNOwogBjtb7MRKeCZNuVAZV8hoCTxIQAvD_BwE

WombatChocolate · 04/11/2021 19:09

I think it depends on whether you’re interested in best value car ownership of a car, or if that’s not really your concern. This is also connected with whether you have upfront cash to spend or are reliant on finance.

Ultimately, buying a car outright is cheaper, in a £ per month way of measuring it. That’s the key issue for some people, but not for others and lots don’t have the upfront cash to access this cheapest option anyway.

The idea a car has to be brand new to be reliable isn’t accurate. Yes of course, old bangers aren’t so reliable, but a 2 or 3 year car which comes with a warranty as good as a new car. An he a very reliable car and very cheap when worked out over month compared to leasing or replacing a car on finance regularly. If you’re happy to drive it for 3-4 years or even longer you can save a huge amount.

The thing with leasing, is it’s a never ending stream of outgoings. Generally people are okay with that because the monthly amount is affordable….but that’s not the same as most economical. Over 5 or 10 or 15 years you’d pay more than if buying outright (assuming you’re not talking real luxury car) but people often don’t make that comparison. If they do, it can feel a bit depressing, and especially if the more economical approach isn’t available to you, because you simply don’t have any upfront cash to buy a car with. The loan if at a good interest rate, and if you’re prepared to keep your car a bit longer will certainly work out cheaper….you will have ‘free’ months after you have repaid all of it. The lease will never end and there will never be ‘free’ motoring.

So I’d look too at the impact behind simply the monthly car payments and how affordable they are on a monthly basis. If you haven’t already bought a house and want to, will having monthly payments like this either impact your ability to get a mortgage, or more importantly, ability to save a deposit, because a couple of hundred goes every month on the car?

The majority if new cars are sold on finance or leasing deals now. Increasingly people haven’t got the cash upfront to buy a car and that’s partly because it’s becoming less of our culture to save up for a car. Who are the big winners? It’s the car manufacturers and dealers. They have a permanent supply of customers who will take brand new cars and have another every 2 or 3 years….and pay more than the purchase price because of the way they buy or lease them.

Yes, the customers get a lovely new car. And I understand how lovely a brand new car is. It’s fab in so many ways. But the reality, is that most people can’t genuinely afford a brand new car every couple of years. What they can afford is a 2nd hand car replaced every few years. and such a car doesn’t have to be a heap or rubbish or unreliable. So by going for the alternative that isn’t really affordable to them, they pay through the nose for it…it’s not blindingly obvious because it’s a drip drip of money month after month after month. But they are paying it none the less.

I think the thing that’s really hard is shifting from finance or lease I g to outright buying. Building up that chunk of upfront money is hard when you’re paying out every month. It’s similar to the difficulty people have in saving a deposit when renting in expensive areas. It can be done, even if it’s not immediate. Using a loan to buy a car and paying it off, then living with that car ‘free’ for perhaps 3 years can allow someone to save the money to buy their next car outright and access much cheaper motoring and then the ability to use 5eir money for housing or childcare or all the other things they might rather spend their cash on. But it takes time and isn’t a quick fix if you’re already deep into leasing etc.

Probably most people on this thread aren’t interested in what I’m saying, because the love of new cars and sense that a new car is somehow something everyone’s entitled to, and buying. 2 year old car to drive for the next 6, is somehow selling themselves short. And also, most people aren’t interested in ideas which might not be accessible now, but need some work. And ultimately, most people are prepared to pay far more over time, so they can have something now and don’t have to wait. And of course that’s fair enough as a choice. It’s not the only option though.

ShipwreckSunset · 04/11/2021 20:12

Agree with all that @WombatChocolate

I wanted to get a lease, but the sums simply don’t add up over time compared to buying outright. Also, I’m more concerned about the ‘ding’ risk rather than the peace of mind of anything going wrong so that counts as a negative factor for me.

I can only see that leasing works if you want a new flash car (more accessible than something you could afford to buy) and also the peace of mind if regular payments. We have been lucky to some degree that nothing has gone wrong majorly with our cars, including 13 year old car had from nearly new.

sar302 · 04/11/2021 20:15

@Moonshine11 @Duckgoesquackquack @jackstini Thank you for the suggestions!

Agadorsparticus · 04/11/2021 22:50

You'll pay monthly for a car no matter if you lease, hire purchase or put monthly savings away to buy a new car.

Most 2/3 year old cars are £10k+. That £10k for 5 years is the equivalent of £167pm not including servicing and other costs. Yes you have an asset at the end but it's depreciated so much. The risk of the car not being as reliable sets in.

Whywonttheyletmeusemyusername · 04/11/2021 23:10

Sorry for the wanky question, but can you put a private number plate on a lease car? I know nothing about leasing so this thread is helpful