PIP and supported / permitted work

[Orangesandlemons77]

Hi does anyone know if starting the above on PIP would trigger a 'change in circumstances' review? Thanks

@Orangesandlemons77

Hi does anyone know if starting the above on PIP would trigger a 'change in circumstances' review? Thanks

PIP has nothing to do with working. People can claim PIP and work. The work you do should obviously not contradict the reasons why you claim PIP though or you would need to report a change. For example if you scored points on not being able to communicate with others but then get a job as a counsellor or interacting with the public every day you would need to report that you have improved. If you claim ESA then permitted work rules will apply and you need to let them know you are returning to work.

You can work on pip well you used to be able I get criteria change all the time you might need to check. I get ESA but with permitted work.

Well its permitted hours

Thanks the thing is I read starting ANY work can count as a change of circumstances for PIP and trigger a reassessment (last now was a nightmare and needed to appeal at which point they overturned it but was still very stressful)

But the work with permitted work needs to be supervised / supported so could mention that I guess.

It feels stressful like anything can trigger a reassessment, but might be good to try doing this I suppose. I wondered if anyone had experience of this. (as in whether it does mean a whole new assessment etc)

www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-and-support-allowance-permitted-work-form/permitted-work-factsheet

More on it here.

What I mean is PIP is all about support / prompting / supervision which is involved in this permitted work...

That’s a fact sheet on Employment and Support Allowance; not PIP.

Do you get both?

@TakeYourFinalPosition

That’s a fact sheet on Employment and Support Allowance; not PIP.

Do you get both?

Yes, in support group for ESA.

I just don't want to hand in this form and then find am being reassessed again etc

www.gov.uk/government/publications/employment-and-support-allowance-permitted-work-form

@Mrsjayy

You can work on pip well you used to be able I get criteria change all the time you might need to check. I get ESA but with permitted work.

Does that work OK doing the permitted work and ESA, didn't trigger a reassessment there? Thanks

Yes I just had to say what I did or was planning to do and it was allowed I only do 8 hours at most though. I understand how stressful it all is

@Mrsjayy

Yes I just had to say what I did or was planning to do and it was allowed I only do 8 hours at most though. I understand how stressful it all is

OK so you put the form in then it got allowed before starting? Sorry just trying to understand how it works.

It says online about making sure it doesn't contradict the reasons claiming e.g. PIP....so for example if working as a receptionist while claiming difficulties with people face to face for example...

Absolutely that I worked as a parent support worker but couldn't say I ran after toddlers which I wasn't able to do. So you could say I work on a reception desk but not face 2 face OR you could do F2F Supported, I know it's as clear as mud but you do need to be careful.

But supported*

It's a minefield

It is that, don't be put off though it is worth it for all sorts of reasons.

For pip, you can work but as you say can't contradict your claim. If your circumstances had changed since being awarded, and this change allowed you to work then yes you should declare the change in health. If the ability to work is, for example, with adaptions to suit your health condition then all good cor reassessment. I worked when I was awarded pip mobility & still continue to work (diff role with reduced hours & WFM).

Not sure how ESA works but think there is 'permitted work'.

You need to let ESA know that you are starting work and what type of work you are doing. they will then let you know if it's permitted.

OK so hand in the form and then see what they say I guess. esa says about completing tasks...reason for support group. can't think of many jobs which don't involve tasks of some kind.

The problem you will get with permitted work is that if it contradicts what you say you can or can’t do when you were assessed
So if you say you can’t sit in a chair for more than 30 mins because Of a back problem
But your a receptionist sat in a chair for 8 hours that would contradict your claim even if you had adjustments to do thus you would most likely be refused

Or if you said you had problems in places that are busy and noisy and if caused you to be anxious but you gog a job in a noisy train station 😂

Or you say you have problems concentrating on stuff and get brain fog and get confused but you want to do permitted work as a tutor marking essays

Pip will have no idea if you work or not , nobody informs that Dwp department as it’s not an out of work benefit.

Thanks for the replies. It just feels scary since my experience of PIP assessment trying to twist things and needing to appeal...I see how they use everything against you...

I've an appt with a place which helps with supported work placements will see what they say.

@MyDcAreMarvel so the dwp dont get hold of work places. So it has nothing to do with work x