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Child Maintenance Service and CSA

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Bloodoutofastone · 16/09/2021 01:54

Has anyone found CMS to be any better? In my personal experience no, except now we pay for the privilige.
In a nutshell, exp has never had much interest in his child. Very early on I gave CSA his details, he denied living at that address. They did NOTHING. It took around three years of constant badgering them, and the hire of a private detective for me to prove to them he indeed lived where I said he lived! Then after they had calculated everything, he didn't pay (as I knew he wouldn't). They gave him numerous chances before they finally put a deduction of earnings order in place.
The case was transferred to Child Maintenance Service some years ago and I had to go through the whole process again. I told them he wouldn't pay and that was the reason the deduction of earnings order was in place but again, they said they had to give him a chance. Obviously he didn't pay a penny.
They set it up again but it's hit and miss. Sometimes his employers just dont send it, giving no reasons. I call and complain but they dont seem to contact his employers, they're pretty relaxed about it in a "let's see what next month brings" kind of way.
Consequently, he owes me thousands. I've received a letter from them saying they're going to write off his debt despite the fact the deduction of earnings order is still in place and i've received a "regular maintenance" (I use the term loosely) payment on the same day as the letter!
I'm furious..how is this in any way fair? Where are all these so called powers they have to recover the debt? They knew from day one he'd be difficult yet they pissed around for months/years and the debt is their fault in the first place!
Why is it always SUCH a struggle with them?

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StarCat2020 · 16/09/2021 02:01

They used to deduct the money from benefits and seemed to concentrate on those cases the most.

Useless

Bloodoutofastone · 16/09/2021 02:09

My exp was on jobseekers for a while and I didn't receive a penny during that time either. Should I have?

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StarCat2020 · 16/09/2021 02:16

My exp was on jobseekers for a while and I didn't receive a penny during that time either. Should I have?
He should still have paid a flat rate of £5 a week while on JSA

I am 99% sure of that, let me check.

StarCat2020 · 16/09/2021 02:17

Sorry it changed, it is £7 a week.

www.gov.uk/how-child-maintenance-is-worked-out

BiteySpears · 16/09/2021 02:21

You have my utmost sympathy OP. If anyone needs concrete evidence that sexism is alive and well in the 21st century the child maintenance system

BiteySpears · 16/09/2021 02:24

You have my utmost sympathy OP. If anyone needed concrete evidence that sexism is alive and well in the 21st century the child maintenance system provides it.

Bloodoutofastone · 16/09/2021 02:30

So it appears they messed up there too then. Sigh. I heard so much over the years about how CSA bled non resident parents dry yet i've not seen any evidence of that. Certainly anyone I know who is the resident parent has had no end of problems with them. Can they actually write off this debt? What possible reason could they give for doing so I wonder.

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StarCat2020 · 16/09/2021 02:59

Thing is you and I know they are shit because we have had to deal with their shitness.

Many NRPs moan because they don't expect to pay a penny but many pay over and above the CMS level.

The actual "service" from Government agencies right now (and for years) is appalling.

Going back to your debt laden ex, have you got anything in writing?

Don't let it drop because your kid didn't get any cheaper the weeks he didn't pay.

(Sorry to say kid but unsure if boy or girl)

Your best bet is calling the Citizen's Advice Bureau and seeing what they say.

I am angry for you.

Bloodoutofastone · 16/09/2021 03:24

Yes I have but i'm puzzled at the amount as it's different on all the previous letters. Then there's the amount he owed from CSA, I dont think they've included it. None of it adds up or makes any sense whatsoever but that's nothing new. I reported him to them years ago for not telling them about a change of circumstances and it took them over a year to investigate that when all they had to do was check how many children lived with him, ie child benefit claims at his address. (He didn't inform them that he had moved out of the family home so my maintenance was lower as they thought he still had dependants living with him). So again, it's their fault because I told them on four seperate occasions he did not live with those children anymore and they did nothing. When they finally investigated it and backdated it I was pleased he hadn't got away with lying about his circumstances but it seems he actually has got away with it after all.

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Bloodoutofastone · 16/09/2021 03:37

And yes, we know they're useless and we just learn to live with it. Why do we put up with this? Why does nothing ever change with these agencies who cant seem to organise a piss up in a brewery? In any other job people would be fired for much less, these mistakes are playing with people's lives and we just meekly sit here and accept it.

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StarCat2020 · 16/09/2021 03:44

Please get some advice, don't let your twat ex and the shitty CMS get away with this

Needanewadventure2021 · 16/09/2021 09:58

I've never been with the CSA but I dont have anything nice to say about the CMS. Absolutely useless and in my opinion side with the paying parent. In my case even despite a deduction of earnings order and consistent employment from the same employer (his been there 20 years in total - paying maintenance for 6) he has still been allowed to get away with paying and nothing has been done to collect those missed payments. The payments his employer sends currently are less than what has been ordered and I am told I need to accept that anything has been sent at all.

They are terrible

kgb49 · 23/04/2022 17:27

The CMS is terrible, it doesnt help the child or the family struggling to make ends meet; I have a similar experience trying to recoup money , ex plays a good game knowing all the loopholes. Im fed up of callingcms and fed up of people on the other end of the phone giving me ridiculous and inconsistent infomation and advice. I know im not the only one with the problem, how do we collectively getthis sorted and make parliment sit up and listen! im exhauseted.. (predominantely) women of this country are struggling to make ends meet this is not on

Villagewaspbyke · 24/04/2022 00:04

Cms is a waste of space as was the csa before it. Unfortunately single mums are not a priority for anyone. We should definitely be making some noise about this.

AHungryCaterpillar · 24/04/2022 00:07

I cancelled my claim, ex doesn’t work or claim benefits 🥴 so no payments 🤷‍♀️

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