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4 different pensions, should I merge?

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MapGirlExtraordinaire · 28/03/2021 21:21

Hope this is the right board.

I've just realised I've got 4 different pension, and I've likely got 20+ years of my working life left so might end up with more.

Should I merge them is my main question. Not sure how possible that is to answer without more info, but in general is it normal to have 4, 5, 6 different pensions on retirement?

An outline:
I have two civil service pensions, just because the scheme changed mid employment. I don't know how much is in either pot, I'm trying to find out, but the yearly sum I'd be due at retirement is approx £6Kpa in one and £3Kpa in the other. They're Nuvos and Alpha.

I have another with Argon which is worth £33K total, and another Legal and General one which I've only recently started and it has ~£4K from 6 months of work, so if I stayed at the same level for my career then I guess after 20 years it would be the equivalent of £160K.

I don't know what management fees etc are??

Any opinions other than 'See a financial adviser' appreciated!

I guess I probably will see an IFA at some point, I'm more posting here out of lockdown boredom / wondering if people will say because my pension isn't gigantic then it doesn't really matter / if people will scream 'That's mad, sort it out ASAP!'

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Cocomarine · 28/03/2021 23:19

OK, so some of your questions are pretty simple to answer!

Firstly - yes, it’s really common to have multiple pensions as you move through your working life.

I’ve got 4 from one single company, as the rules changed for them during the time I’ve worked there! I get 4 different statements, although they do consolidate that and total it for me!

Next question - can you merge them?
Not all, in the cases you’ve given.

Do you understand that - lucky you! - your Civil Service Nuvos and Alpha pensions are “Defined Benefit” schemes? This means that there is no pot - so when you say you’re trying to find that out, what do you actually mean?

With a DB pension, what you have is a promise to pay you a benefit that has been defined in advance - that is, the annual payment that you describe. There is no pot of money allocated to you. Don’t worry about what happened to your contributions, trust me, they were tiny in comparison to the benefit you are promised!

You can’t merge these two. Not least because it would be madness! Nuvos is better. Actually, they’re not massively different depending on your age, but for example Nuvos pays out at 65, Alpha not until your state pension age which might be later.

You can’t transfer your later Aegon and L&G pensions (both Defined Contribution) into your old civil service schemes.

You also can’t transfer the Civil Services into the new ones:
(1) because you’d be off your bloody rocker to do so!
(2) because no IFA would sign it off (transfers from DB to DC need IFA approval) because of reason (1)
(3) you’re actually very limited in transfers out from Civil Service anyway - they only allow transfer to a very few number of other schemes, called “the Club” - some other public sector DB pensions. So actually (1) and (2) don’t apply - I’m just making the point that you’d be crazy to try even if you could!

Back to your DC Aegon and L&G. DC means there is no defined benefit promised at the end. What you have is a pot of money that is invested hopefully for growth. In this case, it really is a pot - an individual account in your name that you can log in and track often, or at least you have a legal right to an annual statement.

Should you combine them?

Firstly - you might not be allowed to, each scheme has its own rules about, “transfer in”. But often you can.

Secondly - should you? If one has more expensive fees, possibly yes. But you may like the spread of risk if they’re invested differently.

I’d say your action should be to find out those management fees and take it from there.

Cocomarine · 28/03/2021 23:22

Cant tell for sure if L&G is managed by your employer, not you personally?

They can often have low management charges because your employer is footing the bill. I have no management charges on the DC part of my employer provided pension. Finding out if they accept transfers in will be a simple phone call to whatever pension helpline number your employer has given you in the scheme booklet / website when you signed up.

MapGirlExtraordinaire · 29/03/2021 17:02

@cocomarine thanks for your answers, they are reassuring!

I will not worry for now, but find out specifics about the fees. I've always worked in pretty unionised workplaces, civil service and CS-like places so I hope / assume things are favourable in this regard, but I haven't thought about it much until now.

Suddenly DH is getting a job with a proper pension for the first time, so keen to see how mine compares! The deal is he earns more money now then my pension keeps us in old age, I'm looking forward to my turn being the breadwinner Wink

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Cocomarine · 29/03/2021 17:22

Ah, I loved that thread Grin

@MapGirlExtraordinaire I’ve never seen unions much involved with opinions on management fees of DC pension funds. All over the employer contribution level, for sure! But not the management fee - possibly as that’s the pension company charge not the employer. It’s easy enough to ask what they are though.

My pension is better than my husband’s wages 😉 I’m never quite sure whether I’m “hurrah for feminism” at being the higher earner, or a bit disappointed we don’t earn the same, just for the money! 🤣

superduster · 29/03/2021 18:07

It might not be possible to merge them - I had to cash in a pension as I couldn't transfer it. Nice to receive the cash at the time but long term not the best idea.

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