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Poor to wealthy- do you feel it?

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familychallenge · 24/02/2021 22:56

I grew up very poor. I think this defines my views on money- I never wanted to be rich but have a fear of being poor- I have seen the impact and powerlessness you have in this situations and I never want to be in that position again. I'm now a high earner and despite a lot of savings and comfortable buffers against things going wrong I still have the fear - it never quite feels enough. This isn't about keeping up with the Jones's or anything, just a paranoia that it will all go away. I never feel quite safe no matter how good my position seems to others. Anyone else have this or have people managed to overcome it?

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LunaHeather · 24/02/2021 23:18

I'm not in the same situation

But it sounds like a disbelief that you're out of the woods, which I can relate to financially a bit - like having "fuck off" money for a miserable job.

It's hard to shake but I have anxiety generally.

SeasonsInTheAbyss · 25/02/2021 02:47

Yep, I wasn’t dirt poor but lived in social housing with working parents. Father an alcoholic. Had two traumatic financial experiences being in a band in my teens and getting fined £1000 by HMRC and then having to subsidise my mother and her new partner’s housing while I was working in a shop on min wage age 20-25). My first child was born when I was 23 so a lot of financial responsibility on young shoulders.

Needless to say I am completely neurotic about money, have tracked every expenditure since 2013. DH is understanding and takes ‘spends’ that I don’t monitor and also has an emergency fund of his own as I worried I might be seen as controlling.

Otherwise I can’t sleep at night unless I’ve logged every spend and reconciled the budget. It comes entirely from a place of fear.

LunaHeather · 25/02/2021 08:57

I completely get it. Flowers

AdventureIsWaiting · 25/02/2021 09:58

DH is similar. His parents went without food so he and his siblings could eat. For the first few years at work he had to pay his parents a substantial % of his wages just so they could all keep a roof over their heads. Now we have an above-average household income, nice house (nothing extravagant, but perfect for the two of us) in a nice area, and are lucky enough to have no money worries. He's on track to take early retirement. His parents are finally comfortable and have sufficient money (DFIL was fortunate to be able to transfer everything into a final salary scheme in his last job).

And yet, he checks the mortgage every week, checks his bank balances 3+ times a day and constantly (at least once a day) tells me he thinks we don't have enough money. It's clear his upbringing has really affected him. I don't think he'll ever feel secure financially. The only thing that calms him down is me taking him methodically through all our finances and pointing out what a good position we are in compared to most people. Otherwise, sorry OP, I'm not sure it does leave you. Without wishing to sound trite, could you try counselling if it's really bothering you?

LunaHeather · 25/02/2021 10:02

The first thing I'd say is don't spend money on counselling 😂

familychallenge · 25/02/2021 10:50

Thanks for the comments all. Reassuring to see others are the same way! I don't think it's necessarily something where I need counselling, but relate to the checking balances and spreadsheets a lot! Ironically I work in finance, and I know very well that objectively I am in a good place both absolutely and compared to a lot of people. Going to try not to obsess over it so much - I don't want to be someone who can't appreciate what I have or spends days looking at spreadsheets rather than enjoying life.

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Neverland2013 · 25/02/2021 10:56

I am the same.. and despite of the change in income/wealth I struggled with spending money on myself.

MLMsuperfan · 25/02/2021 11:00

It could be a kind of survivor anxiety. Where people overcome a dangerous situation, but they keep asking if that was just a fluke and believe they are still at risk.

peelbanana · 25/02/2021 11:04

I think it's all about attitude. I grew up in a very poor family, we were on benefits as kids and lived in a cramped inner city council flat. I was a teenage single mum and was on benefits myself for over 10 years. Now living very comfortably with a good passive investment income and high earning DH. Life is comfortable and I don't feel overly anxious about it. I definitely hoard money and I don't play the whole 'keeping up with the Jones'' thing. I can be a bit obsessive with watching my investments and like to watch the numbers daily. But I don't have any worries that it will all disappear, because that would be irrational. The numbers don't lie.

I wonder if some of the anxiety comes from a low self-esteem, like feeling you don't deserve it? Whereas I feel that I do deserve my life now, because I went through enough as a child and adolescent, and worked very hard to get where I am now. I also know that because I came from poverty, even if I did lose everything, I know how to build myself back up, because I've already done it once. So I suppose I am not even afraid of everything disappearing (although I know it won't). It is just a matter of reprogramming your thinking - it is not just luck that you have ended up where you are now, it's down to your hard work and that is what will keep you secure in future.

JammyDozen · 25/02/2021 11:39

I’m not really sure why I clicked on your post as I’m not in the same situation, but I definitely have the money anxiety and checking thing. I think in my case it comes from my dad’s attitude to money. His parents spent very little, and were always hunting for bargains which were then hoarded away - you’d go to their house and cupboards would be stuffed with cheap crisps they’d found so bought a job lot of. He wasn’t as extreme, but I certainly grew up in an environment where spending money was not viewed positively. This then combined with my own naturally anxious nature. I also have the low self-esteem factor peelbanana mentions - some of it due to recognising genuine privilege, I have to say, some of it more to do with low confidence.

I think it’s well known that growing up without money can leave a legacy of anxiety around the subject, so I hope you get some useful insights from other posters who’ve been there. In my own family, my mother grew up in straightened circumstances and is much more relaxed about money than my dad, who didn’t, so other factors can be at play too.

familychallenge · 25/02/2021 12:52

Thank you all- I am changing jobs at the moment which is probably exacerbating it a bit as a new job is always a bit less secure at first! And yes I think there is a touch of imposter syndrome in there too. Jack Monroe has written a lot too about the lasting impacts of financial insecurity which I relate to as well. Thank you all for the kind words.

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familychallenge · 25/02/2021 12:53

It definitely affects people differently- my brother sails quite close to the wind money wise, I wouldn't sleep at night in his position!

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NaughtyTortie · 25/02/2021 14:02

My parents were poor when I was growing up and they grafted to be extremely comfortable now.

DH always had wealthy parents. But they lived very frugally and had the view that money was there to be passed on to the government via IHT the next generation.

We are very very comfortable. But DH has a fear of spending money because he wants to pass it on and I have a fear of money because I do not consider DH's money as mine.

aweegc · 25/02/2021 15:57

Definitely. And to add to that I'm about to get divorced and the fear of being poor again if knowing exactly what that means, is simply awful. DH will be fine though.

Why? Because I was fucking stupid enough to - with encouragement from everyone around me - give up my work and go and live abroad somewhere I don't speak the language, for his well-paid work.

I can't believe I'm going to be in this situation. However, I remind myself that I'd rather be poor and have my own life than wealthier and be a shell of myself.

LadyCatStark · 25/02/2021 16:15

We’re not rich as such but we’re comfortable and I don’t think I’ll ever stop mentally counting up how much I’m spending at the supermarket as I go around 🙁.

crimsonlake · 25/02/2021 16:52

Yes I understand the fear but I do not go constantly checking the money in my bank account.
I grew up poor, family on benefits and one of 6 children. My dm has never had much and now lives on her pension, I worry about being poor like her in my old age.
Aweegc, like you I am now divorced and the fear of being poor drove me on to battle with my ex through the courts for 5 years whilst I self represented. I did the whole sahm thing to the detriment of my career and pension.
I am now mortgage free having also downsized, I have a job which took a long time to find and so have a steady income. Being mortgage free makes life a whole lot easier, but when you are single of course there is only one income coming in.
Basically I have been frugal for years as a result of my upbringing, I am not mean with money but I am careful. I find it difficult to spend money on myself and even feel guilty.

Reinventinganna · 27/02/2021 15:58

We are comfortable rather than well off. A couple of pay cheques away from struggling which has been scary this past year. I think the words poor and comfortable mean different things to different people.

I grew up with nothing. We sofa surfed (family of 7 so amazing that people took us!) from when I was around 4-14. When we got a council house when I was 14 I remember being really excited that I didn’t have to share a room with my whole family and that it was just our family living there.

I didn’t want that for my children although sadly their dad was financially abusive and I left with nothing but debt.

I’ve worked really hard to try and make a better life for us. I retrained and worked around the children gradually working my way up. I still have a way to go!

I definitely worry about money and am forever checking my accounts. I keep a running document of finances. I’m careful so that we can afford nice things sometimes.

I don’t own a home (private rent) and doubt I ever will but having money to do things, replace the washing machine when it breaks, pay all of my bills etc means that to me I am comfortable.

Some of my siblings are like me and used our childhood to drive them and some are happy with their lot. No one is right, no one is wrong.

Kazzyhoward · 27/02/2021 17:51

Same here. Relatively poor upbringing. Father always had an old banger car that was forever breaking down, ice on inside of windows, wearing school uniform evenings & weekends because we had few other clothes to wear, riding around on a second hand child's bike as a teenager, never had any holidays, hit & miss whether we got much in the way of presents at Xmas and birthdays. At the time, we knew no different.

I was VERY careful with money in my part time jobs whilst at school and my first full time job. I'd squirrel money away - always had something to save up for. I got enormous pleasure out of buying things that had taken me weeks or months to save for. Far better feeling that just spending/wasting it on novelties/rubbish etc.

When I qualified and starting earning decent money, I simply didn't change. Still lived a very frugal/careful way of life, and the money just built up in the bank accounts. Then I was watching the interest grow (in the 80s when interest rates were a lot higher). Luckily, my boyfriend was exactly the same. We'd stay in with a takeaway and video rather than go out and spend £50 or so on drinks and a meal.

When it came to buying our first house, we'd managed to save half the asking price, so only needed a mortgage for the other half. By saving and being careful, we paid off the mortgage after only 10 years or so. Then we were back into "savings mode" and watching the bank balances build up again.

Over all that time, we were hardly paupers. We'd have 2 or 3 holidays each year (usually 1 or 2 were expensive, i.e. California, Kenya. Egypt, etc), the other(s) being skiing or golfing holidays. We'd also moved onto buying decent cars, including brand new occasionally (still saving before buying rather than getting HP, leases or loans for them). We'd also gone right through the house, replacing everything, kitchen, bathrooms, roof, boiler, rewiring, radiators, etc).

We're now approaching early retirement and are already working reduced hours. We don't have hundreds of thousands in savings, but we have enough and we've a couple of relatively modest private pensions. We'll be able to buy replacement cars as and when needed (not brand new but 3 years old or so each time). We'll have enough for house maintenance. We'll have enough for 1 or 2 holidays per year.

In our minds, we're "rich" in that we're comfortable but we don't have money to waste, we never have wasted money. Never bought gadgets, never bought designer clothes, never bought much jewellery, etc. Our house is "minimalistic" in looks, but that's because we really don't have much - no shelves full of books or CDs or DVDs (we sell on ebay once watched/read).

I'm literally checking bank accounts every few days, logging everything in a book-keeping package so we keep a close eye on spending and investments/savings etc. I've set up diary reminders for phone/utility/broadband/Sky contracts so that we don't end up stuck on expensive contracts/tarriffs.

Saving money rather than spending really is a state of mind. Our upbringings were very similar. Neither of our parents had lots of money, neither wasted money, all saved up before spending (except mortgage).

And it's not as if either of us have been really high earners. Neither of us have ever earned more than the higher rate tax threshold (currently £50k), not even at the heights of our careers. Our wages were more usually around average wage (currently £30k or so full time equivalent) but now a lot lower since we're part time.

RedHelenB · 28/02/2021 18:39

I d look at it as you've survived being poor once, you can survive it again in the very unlikely event that you lost all your money. But life is for living, no point having money and worrying about it.

delilahbucket · 28/02/2021 19:08

Yes I have the fear. I grew up absolutely brassic. I moved out at 16, and ended up knee deep in debt by 20 years old as I had no idea how to manage money as we didn't talk about it. I was just getting right and then I fell pregnant with a waste of space man who wouldn't work and ended up in even more dire straits.
I have pulled myself from the pits and have a nice, comfortable life now, but there is always that part of me who strives to earn more, save more and I never stop. Unfortunately this results in me working constantly (self employed). I don't want my son to grow up with the life I had as a child and I want him to have the opportunities I didn't. It's taken a lot of graft to get to where I am and it would have been easier with a full education and a bit of savings to start me out in life. I wouldn't want my son to be working four jobs at 16 to pay for rent on a flat because home was so horrible, when he can be furthering his education and getting a good grounding in life.

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