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Do most people use finance or borrow money to pay for cars typically?

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Onedropbeat · 23/02/2021 19:06

We have 2 cars, one is old but bought for cash so it’s just the maintenance required to keep it running that it costs us. This is creeping up with the older the car gets (13 years old)
It’s worth around £7k as a trade in or £8k private sale.

Our main family car is now 5 years old. Bought on finance with a balloon payment which is due this time next year

It’s a good car and not very costly to run at the moment as still relatively new and low mileage (to us)

Originally I planned on saving the money in a pot to pay the balloon and keep the car so that we are finance free on the cars

However, Covid means earnings and bonuses have dropped and vanished and so I won’t have all the money required by this time next year

Do most people use some form of borrowing for their cars?

At the moment it’s appealing to hand the car back, swap for a new one, and keep paying the same monthly payments which we can afford without having to worry about or dip into savings

But this will end up being in a perpetual cycle of finance for this car and I worry how long the original car will last before it’s more economical to replace for a new one

What would you do?

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PattyPan · 24/02/2021 09:37

Finance is increasingly popular - the majority of new cars are on finance and some second hand ones. DP’s car was bought outright second hand and my parents have always bought their cars that way too. Personally I would prefer second hand in cash and would only look at finance if there was nothing else suitable, just because I prefer not to get into debt. We don’t use the car much though.

murbblurb · 24/02/2021 09:41

Always cash, even in the real job days when £5k bought a 3 year old car to run for eight years or more. Obviously no one gives a toss about the planet , if they did cars would not be changed every 3 years.

Somuddled · 24/02/2021 09:53

I only buy cars with cash. I hate the idea of finance or borrowing for anything that can't absolutely be avoided (so mortgage). It just makes me feel so uncomfortable. So it means I only buy cars I can afford. Some times that be for less than £500 others it hase been up to £5k. Never had an issue finding good ones.

RosesAndHellebores · 24/02/2021 10:14

The older I get and the more bells and whistles that are introduced the more important they become. Compare and contrast my first car which had a manual choke and wind down windows to my current suv with parking sensors and camera automatic and with heated front seats and steering wheel. I can't imagine going back and each car has had more features which I now wouldn't want to be without!

PurpleBiro21 · 24/02/2021 10:33

@RosesAndHellebores I’ve already chosen the make model for my next car and it’s largely based on bells and whistles!

My current car does have a few but as I’m driving more I want comfort and more space.

I actually have healthy savings and could buy outright (and more prestigious) but I don’t want to clear out savings. Paying a few hundred in total interest is a cost of the car in my situation.

Eg - car costs 10k. Put down a 5k deposit (maybe including PX) remaining 5k on 0% finance or very low interest loan.
With my bank a 7k 2 year loan is a total of 240 in interest. 3 year is 360.

7k interest rate is cheaper, I’d immediately pay back the 2k as Ive done before.

I also started with a manual choke 😁

notacooldad · 24/02/2021 10:37

Last time I bought a car i bought on 5 year fiance, paid it off in two years and I've had it 12 years now. Nothing wrong with it. It is still economic and meets my needs.
Next time I get a car I will probely do similar.

Onedropbeat · 24/02/2021 10:42

@Boatingforthestars

What car do you own that is 13years old and worth 7k trade in? I'm guessing your either slightly hopeful with your value or the car is something interesting that holds its value.

I'm not a fan of PCP personally, not against finance though.
I took out a bank loan for our last car, as it had lower interest rates than finance and appeared on my internet banking so easy to manage and keep an eye on.

It is slightly interesting and rare. It’s held it’s value well and starting to increase in value slightly (if it stays well looked after and without rocket ship miles on it anyway)
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Onedropbeat · 24/02/2021 10:46

I definitely like the idea of handing it back at the end of the term and buying something with the difference in value we should get back. Itl only be a few grand though and not too sure itl be enough to get something capable of the long distances we cover.

I dont really want to sign up to long term finance on something with a diesel or petrol engine as it looks like they are trying to phase them out quicker than they originally suggested.

I’m not ready to go electric (because of the long journeys again)

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WeIcomeToGilead · 24/02/2021 10:53

We so good quality second hand cars for cash and that normally comes from bonus

We have 10 yo BMWs but will be keeping them both for another few years and will be getting our money’s worth!

GoodbyeH · 24/02/2021 10:58

We only buy second hand. Never taken a loan out or financed anything. Just buy with cash. Our current car was under £500 and has lasted 4 years so far. Its a 7 seater.

MondeoFan · 24/02/2021 11:03

@Onedropbeat it's 2030 before they stop selling brand new petrol and diesel cars, but you can still buy second hand versions easily.
This date might even change depending on how ready we are to go all electric

LemonSwan · 24/02/2021 13:45

Considering we have backup hydroelectric dams specifically reserved for the event of a million kettles turning on at the same time - I wouldnt worry about the electric cars just yet OP!

The grid just wont be able to cope with it. Most peoples home fuse wont be able to cope with charging at the same time as putting on a kettle, immersion heater or oven.

We are miles off electric cars. We have to rewire the nation, build many more dams and every rewire every home.

Ifailed · 24/02/2021 14:10

The grid just wont be able to cope with it.

That might not be the case. Given that 90% of the time a car is parked going nowhere, there could be potentially a huge reserve of power sitting around. The main issue is to get cars connected up to the grid, that I agree is a challenge. If met, then intelligent charging, including allowing the grid to 'borrow' charge from your car, could even out our generating requirements.

CrotchetyQuaver · 24/02/2021 14:15

I've only ever done it putting down a lump sum and putting the rest on a loan so at the end of the loan, I own the car outright. I personally think the final ballon payment form of financing is the work of the devil, it's designed to lock you in and get you to trade in for a new car rather than paying it off.

LemonSwan · 24/02/2021 14:15

allIfailed

Sure they will get a handle on it eventually. Its not impossible. I am just saying currently the grid wouldnt be able to handle it and they will need to make huge infrastructure changes.

Ironically the areas which will require the most change will be areas where people require their cars more. Ie. London would probably be easier to 'fix' than say smaller towns and villages scattered all over the UK.

In those smaller towns the National Grid are saying even 6 cars powering simultaneously on a supercharger a small distance from one another have the potential to cause local shortages and blackouts.

Its going to be sorted at somepoint but 2030 for mandatory electric will never happen.

Scarby9 · 24/02/2021 14:17

I bought my first car on 0% finance, then have paid in full for each one since, whether new or second hand.
I save the money and don't buy unless I can afford the car. I also do a very high mileage in non- Covid times, so keep the car until it is costing too much to keep on the road.

LakieLady · 25/02/2021 13:17

But this will end up being in a perpetual cycle of finance for this car

And this, dear readers, is why finance companies and car dealers love love these deals: people end up trapped in them, and get contract after contract after contract, because they never have the balloon payment.

RedcurrantPuff · 25/02/2021 13:24

I usually take a bank loan, and keep the car after it’s paid off. I wouldn’t want to be in this cycle of having a car on lease and having payments all the time for something I don’t even own, most people seem to do this though.

Unless it was a very old or cheap car I don’t know anyone who can afford to just buy them cash outright, the amount of people who seem to on here is just peak mumsnet

WombatChocolate · 25/02/2021 16:46

It will be the case that most (notice that I say most and not all) who buy upfront are financially more secure, than those buying on finance deals. By financially secure, I dont necessarily mean with the highest incomes, but those with the most equity and lowest debt in relation to income and outgoings.

The cheapest long term option for car ownership is buying outright. Those who can afford this usually do it. Some go for new, but as lots on this thread say, lots are happy with 2-3 year old models bought outright as a really good value way of getting reliable cars with latest features. It does mean those people aren't always driving a less than 3 year old car.....but generally they don't care about that.

People buying on finance are usually doing it because they can't afford the big upfront payments of buying outright. By buying on finance or via plans, they often end up getting a new car every 3 years. That wasn't why they went into the schemes but is one of the effects and after they've had that, they can believe that anything older is bad and unreliable and that they 'need' new every 3 years. The fact they have got new every 3 years helps them justify the much higher overall costs of using finance.

OP clearly understood that having to use finance rather than using the balloon payment and then avoiding monthly payments was the cheaper long term option, but feels it's not affordable right now as savings depleted. This will cost her more in the long run, but she feels she's lacking in choices. That's the reality for lots of people....they dot have the choice due to lack of large sums of money stashed away, so have to go for the more expensive option. The car companies have cleverly made it attractive and not seem like the option for those with less financial security but something to aim for that is aspirational in terms of new cars regularly....but for the car companies of course it's a way to keep selling more new cars. It's very clever.

Someone made a good point to Op that she might have no choice now, but could aim to get the 2nd car off finance and buy it rather than start a new finance deal when the balloon payment is due. That's a good idea. Reducing from 2 cars to 1 on finance will save money over the longer term and mean there will only rare rely be a need for a lump sum of money, rather than it happening twice in the cycle.

Lots of people could choose to buy at the end of their finance cycle (not with lease schemes) and plan to do so, but get lured I. With a seeming good deal and the chance if another new car and lots of guff about 3 year old cars needing lots of money spent in them. And then they're in a seeming eternity of always paying monthly. Yes, it's affordable on a monthly basis, but you pay much more over time. It depends if you're interested in spending less on cars over the long term, or living just in the here and now.

Those who have no choice but to buy on finance, often lack security in other areas of their life too. If the boiler breaks and requires £3k it will be hard for lots of people, or if they need to find another big expense, or lose their job, they can quickly be in real problems. But those people often have a new car and a new sofa etc.

It's a financial step change to not just look at monthly affordability but long term costs and it's a step hanged for many to save any surplus and spend so there is a surplus, so I'm a year or 2 monthly payments can be a thing if the past. Not possible for those in very low incomes, but lots could make the step change if they thought about it and planned. They could save thousands over the years.

WombatChocolate · 25/02/2021 16:53

If more people could generate a savings pot of £5k to £10k, they would find life generally much less difficult and often have more choices which are far cheaper, than throw without.

Lots of people could save £5k in a year if they chose not to make a couple of larger purchases or went without a holiday one year and reduced their takeaways.....that's in just one year. And that £5k can mean they don't need to have cars in eternal monthly payments, don't need finance for a new boiler, can boost their £5k savings to £10k over time. I really think £5k to £10k can be a tipping point in the lives for lots of people.....it takes a bit of effort to start with, but is achievable with effort for all but those on the very lowest incomes. But at the end of the days it's everyone's choice is t it and if people prefer not to that and accept they will make monthly payments in a range of items throughout their lives and spend thousands more overall, it is up to them....but I do think lots just dot. Realise that things can be different.

Kazzyhoward · 25/02/2021 16:53

@lljkk

Most people buy on finance I reckon.

Sorry, tired so not gonna try to figure out what I'd do. Will bump for you, at least.

For prestigious/expensive brands, figures suggest up to 75% are leased.

But for more "normal" cars, figures suggest as low as 25% are leased.

OatcakeCravings · 25/02/2021 16:59

We have 2 cars, my car was purchased using dealer finance but it was 0% interest and was a really good deal as I bought it the day before the new number plates came out. Paid it off over 5 years, it must be about 7/8 years old now. My DH car is leased, he pays per month and hands it back after 3 years and gets a new one, waste of money probably but he wants a new car every 3 years and has a ‘good’ car compared to me. We can afford it and it makes him happy so....

Kazzyhoward · 25/02/2021 17:01

@LemonSwan

Considering we have backup hydroelectric dams specifically reserved for the event of a million kettles turning on at the same time - I wouldnt worry about the electric cars just yet OP!

The grid just wont be able to cope with it. Most peoples home fuse wont be able to cope with charging at the same time as putting on a kettle, immersion heater or oven.

We are miles off electric cars. We have to rewire the nation, build many more dams and every rewire every home.

Fully agree. 2030 is an aspiration only. As we get closer, the Govt will push back the date. The 2030 is a kick up the bums of the motor industry to get their act together to plan how to wind down IC car production and ramp up electric car production - it takes many years for manufacturers to do that, so many needed a nudge.

We also need to look at what other countries are doing. Manufacturers aren't going to work towards 2030 for the "big bang" if it's only the UK enforcing that date. They're not going to close down a IC production line just because Brits can't buy them, if they're still being sold to other European countries, Africa, America, Australian, Far East, etc.

I'd say 2035-2040 is more realistic for new IC cars being banned from sale.

But even then, there'll be a good stock of second hand IC cars which may well appreciate in value due to demand, especially for people who can't easily charge at home etc (rural areas, on street parking, power outages etc). Probably 2050 before IC cars are a rare sight, especially since a new car can realistically have a life of 15-20 years if properly maintained and not run into the ground.

randomsabreuse · 25/02/2021 17:09

Our next car will probably be leased, if not that one the next one will. Because I'm not convinced about buying an electric car without very good warranties.

With Internal Combustion Engine cars the likelihood is of small, relatively inexpensive things going wrong with a much smaller likelihood of a catastrophic failure making the car uneconomic to repair, especially if the car has been maintained properly. With electric cars any failure is likely to be terminal - so it's a different kind of gamble and much more difficult to hedge moving the balance to the certainty of a lease deal no longer than the car's warranty from the likelihood that the £8- 10k car will survive long enough to justify the purchase cost.

From experience I'd choose to pay £5-8k for a second hand car or pay under £1k. Between £1k and 5k there's too much tendency to throw good money after bad fixing stuff.

We've always been tied to big cars (DH's work) and until recently very high mileage precluding leases, currently have a 10 year old Mondeo estate (done 160k + miles, owned for 5 years) and a 15 year old Subaru (owned for 3 years, 100k miles) so it's not about the prestige.

When we replace them we will ideally get some kind of plug in electric car, but might get one last ICE vehicle depending on available second (third+) hand Euro 4/5 estates and the lease deals available on electric options.

Kazzyhoward · 25/02/2021 17:12

@Soontobe60

Both our cars are leased. We prefer to have new reliable cars after years of running old bangers and the payment we make over 3 years is equal to the devaluation of buying it outright for cash. I wouldn’t want to tie up that amount of cash by buying it outright upfront.
Depreciation depends on how long you own the car. If you only keep it for 3 years then, yes, you'll suffer a big hit, but if you keep it longer, then you're quids in by purchasing/keeping.

Both our current cars were bought new. One is 13 years old, one is 6 years old. Keeping them has been a lot cheaper than leasing or buying/replacing them after 3 years or so. They're basically costing us nothing now. Only ongoing costs are annual servicing, new tyres every few years, new brake pads every few years - we've never paid more than £500 per year in servicing/maintenance for either car, not even the 13 year old one (mostly around £250 per year on average).

If a car is properly serviced, driven carefully, and not run into the ground, a life of 15 years or more is perfectly reasonable.

Buying new (or low mileage ex demo) and keeping for 10/15 years is by far the cheapest way of owning/running a car.