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MLM Bot Watch 64: All I want for Christmas is gloop.

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acatcalledjohn · 13/12/2020 13:14

New Fred.

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BSintolerant · 22/01/2021 10:29

@SaveMySkin @Popihola

www.talentedladiesclub.com/?s=MLM+

Lots of informative articles on the evils of MLMs here.

ketosavedmylife · 22/01/2021 10:29
is a youtube response to the BBC documentary, for balance, from a Younique bot. It raises some interesting points but has no 'comment' section to raise counter-points, sadly.

Here, we can watch and raise points about what she discussed, openly.

ketosavedmylife · 22/01/2021 11:08

[quote BSintolerant]**@SaveMySkin* @Popihola*

www.talentedladiesclub.com/?s=MLM+

Lots of informative articles on the evils of MLMs here.[/quote]
That's a good one, @BSintolerant Smile.

It is good to remind ourselves about the harsh realities of this insidious, cruel and manipulative industry which exploits people (mostly women) who are vulnerable financially, or emotionally, or just desperate to stay with their children and work from home to bring in an income. Sadly, MLM does not achieve this for 99% of reps, just brings even worse outcomes.

ketosavedmylife · 22/01/2021 11:12

We all know people who have been persuaded to join an MLM company during the pandemic and are now slavishly posting 'positive memes' on social media about their dream job -

"financial freedom"
"untapped income"
"a few hours per week"
"pockets of time"
"nooks and crannys of the day" "

are just some of the lies posted, day after day. What others can you think of?

ketosavedmylife · 22/01/2021 11:14

All these 'positive posts' are solely to attract interest and recruit recruit recruit a downline. That is the crux of MLM - recruitment of downlines to recruit a downline to recruit a downline et al.

The products or services are irrelevant. THIS is why it is a lie and a deceptive business model.

BSintolerant · 22/01/2021 11:20

Are there any lurkers here who were lured into Tropic, Body Shop at Home, FM, Avon or any other MLM since the pandemic started under false pretences? That is, were you led to believe that you could make a living out of joining an MLM?

ketosavedmylife · 22/01/2021 11:36

@ketosavedmylife

is a youtube response to the BBC documentary, for balance, from a Younique bot. It raises some interesting points but has no 'comment' section to raise counter-points, sadly.

Here, we can watch and raise points about what she discussed, openly.

I would just like to highlight one aspect of this video, at 15:49 L talks about MLM and debt.

She states that "Ellie...misunderstood the presenter agreement" (got in £3,000 debt)..."because we are never asked to spend that money". True, front loading (buying extra products personally) is not officially approved of or permitted, but we in the anti-MLM sphere know that pressure to achieve end of month goals/spend happen all the time. Pressure from uplines is unrelenting and leads to shocking unethical behaviour in order to achieve promotions.

It happens!

At 16:11 "...she mentions targets, we don't have targets. The only targets we have are the targets you impose on yourself". There you have it, it is your fault. Another typical MLM behaviour - blame the rep not the business model. Shameful.

She goes on to state "you do not have to hold stock with Younique, you are not encouraged to hold stock, quite the opposite". The reality, as we know from countless accounts from ex-presenters in Younique and other MLM companies is that you are pressured to achieve financial goals, relentlessly by uplines. These uplines publically pile the pressure on by stating on social media platforms that "xxx is smashing it and ready to achieve xxx status at the end of xxx month". This happens often and effectively places even more pressure on the hapless bot to achieve this status however she can. If she cannot achieve this through pity-purchase posts to friends, family, colleagues she will put her hands in her own pockets and buy the products herself, hoping to sell these in future.

This disgusting practice happens. We know it happens. MLM bots stating that is doesn't are lying.

Garliccoriander · 22/01/2021 11:58

We know that fb marketplace is insidious at the moment with FM taking pole position.
I have noted that some of the desperate bots post in every local fb the length & breadth of the UK.
As no one is going out or WFH who would buy all these lotions & potions?
Some people may put on the slap to take the dogs a walk on muddy fields. No names mentioned.

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 22/01/2021 12:42

Salon has been getting far less engagement and hasn't cried with humbleness on a FriPay for months now, so I expect the writing is on the wall for Valentus. She's not daft though, she's launched 'The Guide' which appears to be a hugely overpriced (obvs) manual for network marketing designed to 'offer all the advice an upline would'. Clearly if someone has an upline they don't need this but it doesn't seem to have stopped a load of people buying them.

nooksandgrannies · 22/01/2021 14:59

Here's another video for you to mull over - check to see the practices used by ALL MLM's - they are the same all over - just the product changes :-

9dartfinish2nd · 22/01/2021 15:28

Arbonne UK's annual accounts are once again overdue at Companies House.

This follows a £3.1 million loss posted last year and no director dividends paid out, bear in mind also that those accounts were before Covid-19.

Spongebobette · 22/01/2021 18:22

For the year ending Dec 2019, ForeverLiving 's sales decreased by 24%

This line in the financial report submitted to Companies House in Sept is interesting

MLM Bot Watch 64: All I want for Christmas is gloop.
ketosavedmylife · 22/01/2021 18:35

Yes, @Spongebobette, we know all too well why figures would have improved in May, June and July Sad. Mass exploitation by fl and other MLM companies of people who had been affected by job losses through covid.

Spongebobette · 22/01/2021 18:40

Yup

Mankyfruitbowl · 22/01/2021 19:17

Longtime lurker/fan, occasional poster here...

Has anyone noticed Facebook has removed the "Network Marketing" option when you report a job listing? You used to be able to report scammy job listings with this option. It seems to have disappeared. Or am I looking in the wrong place?

Yep, reporting fake MLM jobs is one of my fun lockdown hobbies. Around my area it's mostly FL, Usborne, Body Shop and "essential oil consultants", whichever company that might be.

BSintolerant · 22/01/2021 19:21

The churn rate will also have increased @Spongebobette

If any lurkers who were sucked into Forever Living (or any other MLM) in May, June, and July 2020 are reading this, and have since seen sense, please delurk and tell us your story.

Spongebobette · 22/01/2021 19:37

I hope new recruits realise that they are at the bottom of the funnel and the money they have 'invested' in their 'business' just makes sure that those at the very top have an income - they will always do OK as long as new recruits keep signing up

Cacacoisfarraige · 22/01/2021 21:59

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Popihola · 22/01/2021 23:33

Just to clarify for those that called me a 'newbie', I've been engaging on these threads since 20 something and have read every single thread. I've just changed my name a few times. So I know all the OG bots, all the bots that have appeared and disappeared and the very small amount that are constantly being focused on right now. Not sure why it would matter if I was a newbie though? Like I said, if you want to focus on the same 2 or 3 people maybe Tattle is the best place! A very defensive reaction I must say.

Popihola · 22/01/2021 23:37

Actually I'll hold my hands up and say it was only one person that got defensive and not a few. My point still stands though, new people coming on here would be really lost.

BangingOn · 23/01/2021 08:43

Nobody has mentioned Barnbot/Welsh Rarebot for a while. Last night she launched a bizniz for a hairdresser who hasn’t been able to work. This is the big worry with more lockdown, more furloughed or self employed people being sucked in.

CheekySmile · 23/01/2021 09:23

@Mankyfruitbowl I still report any MLM job postings under ‘fake job’ and then it’s asks where you had the experience and I choose ‘on the job post’.
They’re unsalaried sales reps for multi million pound companies. They’re fake jobs.

Teddy1970 · 23/01/2021 10:54

Gosh I remember Barn bot, she used to come on these threads to try and defend FL, there were some very interesting discussions in those days! I don't think she's doing it anymore because she came back on here after a hiatus to say that she'd seen the light. Welsh bot is still active I think.

ketosavedmylife · 23/01/2021 11:24

@Popihola

Just to clarify for those that called me a 'newbie', I've been engaging on these threads since 20 something and have read every single thread. I've just changed my name a few times. So I know all the OG bots, all the bots that have appeared and disappeared and the very small amount that are constantly being focused on right now. Not sure why it would matter if I was a newbie though? Like I said, if you want to focus on the same 2 or 3 people maybe Tattle is the best place! A very defensive reaction I must say.
I've had a look at Tattle and read some of one thread about a particular individual that was pretty full on. Didn't sit well with me and I have to say that here on this thread/site it has never come close to being like that, ever.

Here, on this thread, posters post what they observe in the bot/s that they follow. I don't personally follow anyone (been banned in some cases to be honest Grin) but am interested in what the bots are up to, the lies and deceit they practice to ensnare new downline victims. It is a murky business to be sure.

I am always very happy to hear from any posters who have a story to tell, a personal experience which may shine a light on how they've been affected by MLM, either personally or through friends and family. @Popihola I've been here since the beginning and watched the ebb and flow of the threads over the years; they evolve and change and yes, sometimes become a bit personal. Nothing like as offensive as the stuff I read on Tattle though Sad. Stick around if you want, contribute here, move the chat and discussion on, we are glad to have you.

ketosavedmylife · 23/01/2021 11:27

@Popihola

Actually I'll hold my hands up and say it was only one person that got defensive and not a few. My point still stands though, new people coming on here would be really lost.
That's a good point actually, @Popihola. Back in the day we used to have a summing up first post with lots of links to the more popular anti MLM sites. Perhaps we need to return to this format for the next new thread? Would that help do you think?
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