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Should we buy a holiday let?

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Changemynamexchangemyname · 17/07/2019 07:29

I’ll try and be succinct with this but am stuck in a loop and would appreciate some views.

We bought our house v cheaply a few years ago as it needed everything doing. The value of the house has now risen quite a bit due to the improvements we have made and also buying a piece of land adjoining it. We have a small mortgage on it which is roughly 25% LTV (current estimated value)

The house next door has come up for sale and I want to buy it and let it out as a holiday cottage. This would mean remortgaging our house to raise capital to purchase, which would increase our LTV to 62% and also obtaining a second mortgage of around the same LTV on the holiday cottage, which we would pay interest only on for two years while we got the business established.

I’ve crunched the numbers regarding other holiday cottages in the area and likely occupancy rates, together with all the costs and I think it could at the very least wash its own face financially and potentially bring in a small amount of income, and then we’d have another property at the end of it. But DH is not keen, I think he thinks it’s too risky. My plan doesn’t impact at all on our family finances but obviously there’s a small risk there, if we couldn’t get any guests in etc. We live in a beautiful part of the world and there are several selling points to the property.

Is this a stupid idea? We’ve been aiming to be mortgage free within 10 years so that’s a hard idea to let go of, if we bought it we’d have two mortgages for 25 years - he is 44 and I’m 40.

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DocusDiplo · 17/07/2019 07:32

You sound savvy so I would do whatever you want :) Who would manage the property letting though - agency? You? Happy to do that long term? Depends if you want an easy life or want a project I guess. Living next door is a massive bonus though surely.

SoonerthanIthought · 17/07/2019 07:37

"obviously there’s a small risk there, if we couldn’t get any guests in etc."

also the risk of a fall in house prices?

leckford · 17/07/2019 07:40

It does not matter about house prices dropping, as long as you can pay the mortgage.

I used to manage a rental house for my dad it was next door to us, think carefully, whoever is there can come around with requests all the time.

madrush · 17/07/2019 07:43

See whether you can chat to any holiday let owners near you and see what their occupancy/income rates are really like. Air b&b has brought huge changes to holiday letting and in some areas this has been a race to extremely low prices. OTA fees are being pushed from guests to hosts and some local authorities are moving to holiday let licensing. How well your business does is very area dependent. Sounds exciting though, but make sure your eyes are wide open!

hadthesnip2 · 17/07/2019 07:46

Some lenders will not lend on holiday let's. They prefer to see a steady stream of rental income throughout the year.

Also be mindful that the income & any capital gain made when eventually sell the property will be taxed.

No problem with the mortgages going up to your retirement age & the amounts dont seem to be eroneous either.

Changemynamexchangemyname · 17/07/2019 07:50

Thank you, these are all really useful insights. There is another holiday cottage nearby but I’m a bit apprehensive to approach the owner as we would be in direct competition!

The area is one of my concerns, it is incredibly beautiful but not well known, there is huge scope for walking and cycling and generally relaxing but not loads in the way of tourist attractions on the doorstep (although plenty within a 45 min drive radius) and it’s not easy to get to on public transport.

I’d be aiming for the ‘luxury’ market with a focus on rest and relaxation, rather than a cheap and cheerful base.

Thanks for the helpful thoughts, keep them coming!

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helpmum2003 · 17/07/2019 07:55

Do both of you work now? The main issue I would be concerned about is the work load of a rental. You need to be around a lot and deal with problems quickly. Personally if I had a job or small children I definitely wouldn't.

Changemynamexchangemyname · 17/07/2019 07:57

I think I’d manage it myself as I work PT and the various agencies take around 20-30% but of course the advantage to using an agency is the reach.

With regards to the capital gains tax, there are various reliefs available to FHLs but I’d have to investigate that further and take some advice - tax is not my strong suit! The increased stamp duty on second properties was a bit of an unpleasant surprise 😩

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Mother87 · 17/07/2019 08:03

Whilst number-crunching/yields are essential... we also have luxury/desirable/beautifully equipped properties in 'perfect' holiday locations (one next door to our holiday home)... They should all work out well as VERY LONG TERM INVESTMENTS... (Decades not years) Despite lots of research with other owners/agencies/booking companies etc and buying WELL BELOW the market value in the areas at the time - the running & maintenance costs/general bills (councils/utilities/ENDLESS miscellaneous bills) always some 'missed' occupancy mean that we just about wash our face... so good investments for the family/kids longterm... for us not so much. Never quite as good as expected/always more expensive to 'run'... But would still do it again for the long term benefits...

Changemynamexchangemyname · 17/07/2019 08:08

Thanks Mother that’s useful. We plan to stay here for rest of our days hopefully so it would be a long term investment, we have two DC so it’s with them in mind that we’re considering it. My view is that we probably wouldn’t be able to put away that sort of equivalent in savings for them so it’s a good investment. Any income over and above costs would be put away for them as well.

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ClashCityRocker · 17/07/2019 08:14

For me, rest and relaxation tend to go hand in hand with seclusion... I'm not sure I'd feel that with the owner's next door, unless it was detached and a good distance away.

I do think you need to do your research on this, particularly if you are living in somewhere that isn't a traditional tourist area. How many holiday cottages are there locally? Are there any local agents you could discuss projected income/occupancy rates with? Local tourism board may also help with figures re visitors to the area.

You also need to get an idea of set up and running costs. How much would it cost to achieve the 'luxury' feel? Things tend to need replacing much quicker in a holiday let at that end of the market - from small things like glasses, crockery and towels to larger items of furniture, otherwise you get the 'looking a bit tired' comments in the reviews.

I do tax returns for a fair few people with holiday lets. In a 'good' year repairs, maintenance and renewals will usually be 10-20% of turnover - in a bad year, it can be well over turnover.

So on the money side, you need to get an idea of how much it will cost to run, how much you would need to charge and what occupancy rates are achievable - even if the main goal is to ultimately own a second property, you don't want to be paying to run a holiday let, and without proper research, you could end up in that position.

TemporaryPermanent · 17/07/2019 08:40

I wonder about some sort of niche - dog friendly cottage for example?

If you're in an obscure location, why would people who can pay luxury prices come to you? What can you offer? Four poster, hot tub? Daily cleaning?

Kazzyhoward · 17/07/2019 08:46

I've used holiday lets 3 or 4 times per year for the last 20 years and also act as accountant for around a dozen or so, so have quite a bit of experience on both sides of the fence.

Yes, agencies cost 20-30% but will grow your occupancy and income massively - one of my client always did everything herself and was against agencies, but then she moved to Scotland due to work and had to, reluctantly, use an agency that charged 25% - her occupancy/income increased by 50% overnight so she ended up far better off and now she's relocated back to living close, she still uses the agency!

Doing it yourself is fine, but you need a professional website with booking calendar, credit card acceptance, etc., as people these days want to book and pay the deposit online - they won't want lengthy phone calls or email chains - people also want to view and book at weird times, like midnight or Sunday afternoon so again, website booking is really essential. A professional website can easily cost a few thousand.

As for being next door, it's really something I'd not broadcast. When we've found ourselves close to the owners, it's been quite off-putting and I now try to avoid them. You get the feeling you're constantly being watched. If the property is properly kitted out and well maintained, there should be no need to contact the owner. For most of our recent holidays, the keys have been left in a key lock outside so we've had no personal contact at all. The owner may well have been next door or across the road, but we would be blissfully unaware, just how we like it.

Worst one was were we unwitting rented someone's home - they just moved out during the six week summer holiday to a local cheap B&B! - They were constantly back at the house, we'd get up in the morning, draw back the curtains, and he'd be there watering the garden, or we'd come back after a day out and she'd be hanging her own washing out in the garden. It was really awful!

One thing I would caution is the rapid increase in holiday lets - it's becoming the new "BTL" craze so the market is getting pretty saturated, so all the more reason to do your own research. You can see other peoples' occupancy levels by looking at their bookings calendar on their website, you can also see their charging, photos, fixtures, fittings, equipment and consumables they provide, etc. You can also see how many are dog friendly and how many don't allow them - few people don't care - if you want to take your dog, you need dogs allowed, and if you don't most people want a dog-free house due to the lingering smells, etc - you won't get many people without dogs in a dog friendly house.

I would also echo the poster above about the costs. You'll be very surprised at how much you'll spend on cleaning, maintenance, replacements of damages/theft etc. People on holiday, especially bigger parties with children, etc., won't be as careful as they are at their own home - they'll also probably spend more time than at home and more likely to have cooked breakfasts, cooked evening meals, etc. There'll be loads of broken crockery, marked walls, stained carpets, etc. You also need decent equipment - cheap washing machines, kettles, toasters etc won't last so you need reasonably decent brands.

Finally (sorry gone on far too long), don't just put all your own home furniture, crockery, cutlery, etc into it - people want quality. I've been in some horrors where it's clear that the home was either an elderly relatives and they decided to keep it all and rent it out "as is" rather than clearing their belongings out - to the extent of all kinds of hideous bric-a-brac everywhere, mismatched crockery & cutlery, etc. It's also obvious when people have bought a new sofa or bed for themselves and just put their old cast off into the holiday let and then you have the ancient bedding and towels so old they have holes in them. Sorry, it's not good enough. You need to be putting new or nearly new into it - it needs to have "show home" quality if you expect good feedback, good trip advisor reviews and repeat business.

Changemynamexchangemyname · 17/07/2019 09:06

Thanks so much, this is exactly the sort of thing I was after!

I think that I’ve considered nearly all of the points that people have raised so that makes me feel better. I do need to do more digging into it and I think I may have underestimated the repairs/renewals budget line so that needs to be factored in.

Great point about not broadcasting that we’re next door, it’s a very quiet place and the layout of the houses means you hardly ever know if someone is there or not really, but there’s no reason for the renters to be told we’re next door.

I think it’s possibly not a goer, I suspect we will not be able to afford to pay what it’s likely to go for so that may well be that. But it’s been interesting to explore, we may look at another cheaper property when the kids are a bit older. I just think it could be a perfect holiday let in the right hands.

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Changemynamexchangemyname · 17/07/2019 09:11

I’ve done quite a bit of research into other properties to get an idea of rates/availability and where people are advertising - from what I’ve been able to gather we’re by no means saturated but I think that’s because the area is relatively unknown. Which makes me worry a bit about getting people in, but there’s growth happening in the wider area with a large annual event about 25 mins drive away which is gaining national interest and a couple of small festivals are now happening very close by (within walking distance from cottage)

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Bowerbird5 · 17/07/2019 09:28

I think if it is a walking / cycling area and beautiful countryside then appeal to those people by putting an ad in their magazines. Perhaps you could research local walks, map them and produce an article about the area for a Walking magazine and ditto for the cyclists.

Friends off mine are renovating a cottage just now. Get advice from local potential letting agencies as friends furnished it from another house but local company have stipulated other furnishings.
If remote you could add a welcome 🧺 basket with essentials.
I looked after a holiday house for someone and I did this for people travelling a long way. Fresh milk, local baker’s bread, biscuits, local paper etc. It was much appreciated.

I would say go for it if you can afford it. You could always let it long term if it doesn’t work out. PM me if you do and when it is ready as it sounds our kind of place for holidaying.

Changemynamexchangemyname · 17/07/2019 17:39

Thanks Bowerbird and everyone. Loads of useful things to think about!

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babysharkah · 17/07/2019 18:26

I would, but not next door!

D0ckD0ck364 · 17/07/2019 18:30

Have you factored in

Extra stamp duty
Landlord insurance
Pay tax in income/self assessment tax
Paying for maintenance & repairs
Who looks after tenants if you are on holiday
What about times when you have no tenants
Council tax

It's a big responsibility, even if you live next door

Another post in another section, was saying that pensions were more tax efficient, than BTL

D0ckD0ck364 · 17/07/2019 18:39

I know someone who has a BnB. They like the income, but after many years. The constant laundry & cleaning has become a chore. You could employ a local to help you.
Perhaps, your husband is also concerned about the amount of work he may need to do too

D0ckD0ck364 · 17/07/2019 22:47

I'm going to add
You may or may not have a job that you do for an employer then come home & have your home time hassle free

Whilst a holiday let, may provide an income & an asset
There is responsibility & your life becomes more stressful
Therefore, I would suggest that you would need to be a strong character

I hope that you understand what I mean

Changemynamexchangemyname · 18/07/2019 12:18

Thanks D0ckD0ck I do understand what you’re saying, it’s definitely a big decision and the workload is a factor. I’m not afraid of hard work and happy to do it to bring in some income but having two DC makes it more complicated in terms of time/stress.

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Polestar50 · 18/07/2019 12:29

I had a holiday cottage for a couple of years but lived about 200 miles away. It was fun to do it up and it was pretty popular but I stopped because it was too much of a headache for me as I was working full time too. There's always something or someone needing your attention!

It's not easy money but it sounds like it could be a goer for you, especially if you understand what you taking on and live next door so can sort out any problems quickly.

Have you come across the Lay My Hat holiday home owners forum?

www.laymyhat.com

I can't recommend it highly enough!
It's a really friendly and active site. Like Mumsnet, the culture is supportive but very plain speaking. Many experienced owners on there who are very happy to give honest feedback and advice to people thinking about starting or in the early stages. Loads of stories of the good and the bad so you can get a picture of the reality of running a holiday let.

Good luck!

Changemynamexchangemyname · 18/07/2019 13:23

Oh thanks Polestar - I’ll check it out!

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