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Bank charges repayments - Aitch wins the debate!

25 replies

thedogsbollox · 15/05/2007 17:05

Lloyds TSB charges upheld in court

I rather suspect that those of you who have not had repayments made, will be unlikely to get them now!

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cathcart · 15/05/2007 17:15

link not working thedogs, I suspected it would end soon though. The banks must loathe Martin Lewis. I love him

quadrophenia · 15/05/2007 17:16

good thing mine were refunded today then

thedogsbollox · 15/05/2007 17:26

let me try again!

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Lolly68 · 15/05/2007 17:27

This is not for actual charges. He is complaining about the fact that he paid fees for his overdraft.

Mumpbump · 15/05/2007 17:28

Well, I hope he appeals. It's only a first instance judgment anyway... Dh is a bit disappointed though!

SoupDragon · 15/05/2007 17:31

How long did he have an overdraft for and for how much if he got over £2k incharges??

BarryScott · 15/05/2007 17:44

Apparently the banks are not taking this case seriously, although csg have yet to comeback explain why

I have 2 ongoing cases for friends and family...

Mumpbump · 16/05/2007 13:50

I suspect it is because the bloke represented himself, rather than having legal representation. Isn't there another guy - a barrister - I think who is pursuing a claim as well? The outcome of that litigation would be more informative, I think...

MoodyMa · 16/05/2007 13:58

This was NOT a judgment on the issues - at all. Therefore it is of absolutely NO relevance to us in terms of the legal issues.

The bank won because the judge did not consider Lloyd's T&Cs because they weren't in the bundle of documents before him. If they had been he would have found without doubt that those T&Cs require the customer not to go overdrawn or exceed an o/d limit. Then he would have found that the charges arise in circumstances constituting a breach of contract and are, as we all know they are, penalty charges.

The judgment ONLY says that the judge had not been persuaded that there was a breach. That consideration was not one of law, but based on the lack of evidence before the judge. Blimey the judge even had a good look for the T&Cs on the internet himself but couldn't find them.

This was ENTIRELY down to an inadequate trial bundle and has nothing whatever to do with the actual issues betwen the banks and their customers. On the basis of the information available to him (or lack of it) the judgment was given in the terms that it was.

There is NO comfort for the banks in this judgment, except that they will try to sell it to the wider world as a vindication of their plundering of their customers' money. Don't let them. Carry on.

The one salutory lesson we can all learn from this is that if you are claiming YOU have to prove every element of your claim, including that the charges are imposed because of a breach of the agreement with the bank.

This means that you MUST have your bank's terms and conditions for the current account on which you are claiming in your trial bundle. Note from the judgement that in this case the bank (lloyds) denied in their defence that there was any term requiring a customer to keep in credit or within an agreed o/d limit. That must have been untrue and again the banks show themselves for what they are.

Mumpbump · 16/05/2007 14:01

That's the problem. Unless you're legally qualified, chances are you will miss stuff or be unaware of what is required from you...

Moodyma - you seem very knowledgeable! Is there a transcript of the judgment available anywhere? I'd be interested in seeing the exact terms of the judgment.

MoodyMa · 16/05/2007 14:03

I copied that from Consumer Action Group.

I shall go and look for a transcript

MoodyMa · 16/05/2007 14:08

here is where I get all the information from, this thread is about yesterdays court case

Moomin · 16/05/2007 14:10

oh good, so glad i read this> Have been worried after seeing this on the news. I made my court claim online Sunday so am waiting to see what happens now.

Mumpbump · 16/05/2007 14:14

Thanks, Moodyma!

MoodyMa · 16/05/2007 14:14

Yes...no worries just proceed as normal.

Trix11 · 18/05/2007 18:52

moodyma, I made my court claim on line last Friday and have received notification from the courts to say the bank has until the 30th May to respond. I have no court bundle, Im really worried - what should I be doing at this stage?

Trix11 · 19/05/2007 15:36

Anyone??

MellowMa · 19/05/2007 15:41

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MellowMa · 19/05/2007 15:47

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tigermoth · 19/05/2007 16:01

Can someone explain the thread title to me?What debate are we talking about?

I hope this recent case is not a setback. I very much support of the efforts of consumer groups in making banks play fair and stop imposing these huge charges.

I have already got some of my charges refunded - decided to accept a compromise figure - but I am about to make a claim for some on another account.

Trix11 · 19/05/2007 16:52

Im with Abbey.

I was watching that finance guy this morning Martin I think his name is and he said for everyone to carry on trying to get their money back. So hopefully we will still get our money back but it is worrying.

tigermoth · 19/05/2007 21:09

I've answered my own question. Searched for the debate. Thank goodness I did not see it at the time is was a hot topic. It would have sucked me in and sent my blood pressure skywards!

It's certainly bought home to me the advantages of being ignorant about many of the discussions here [huge smile of relief emoticon].

Trix11 · 19/05/2007 21:25

Ive tried using the consumer Action Group but I cannot work out how to start a new thread to ask for advice!1

MellowMa · 20/05/2007 10:08

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Trix11 · 21/05/2007 13:02

Thanks Mellowma

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