MLM Bot Watch 38 - Large cheques are not forever

[Whiterangey]

I think the members of the Anti-MLM Coalition in the UK deserves to be recognised for the reduced cheques that have been received by the Forever Living bots in the UK.

They have worked tirelessly to spread the Anti-MLM message which seemed like a pointless battle when they started.

Yet here we are, the message is getting out there, and people are beginning to get the message.

People are listening. Ex-bots are telling their stories and encouraging others to leave or not to join MLM's.

You are all awesome and have worked so hard, you deserve so much respect for helping so many people.

How much was it for (and what was the drop from last year) @Whatsaldigottodowithit ?

I'm not good at this stuff and I could be wrong, but it does seem as though fundraising and work on the village may have stopped a few years back, hence no filing the charity accounts.

The facebook page for the charity and the website both haven't been updated in years, and there appears to be nothing new that appeared in Bloodsuckers video than was there years ago.

I don’t know. She has got one but hasn’t been pictured with it at all from the looks of it

@Whatsaldigottodowithit - there are a fair few UK bots whose profiles make no references to cheques, when you would expect them to, given the hype.

The reason is either that they were among the many who did not get one this year, or the actual amount would be embarrassing to publish, given said hype.

@Whiterangey - Vast swathes of the "charity" scene, especially where the activities are in countries with less scrutiny, resemble MLM in the use of smoke and mirrors to make the most reprehensible goings on look altruistic.

Just like MLM, a bit of scratching below the veneer and due diligence shows them up for the scams that they are.

However, just like MLMs, they get away with it.

How does your wife feel about 'charitable work', Twenty?

My OH has first-hand experience of the false image put out by many Cozie, but I'm at a loss as to the relevance?

I would love for someone who is able to make more sense of what they are reading and also writes far more eloquently and I to research this shit and put it on a blog so it's out there and getting read.

I am certain that even the most committed anti-mlmer would have been touched by Bloodsuckers commitment to her continued charity work.

It does seem that all she did was fly over there for the video. Acting all shocked about the video being there. She was sitting there being filmed, it wasn't a hidden camera, she was telling her life story and there was a professional cameraman there.

I know we have Botwatch and Timeless vie here, would either of you be interested in writing about this or do you think it wouldn't be a good idea for whatever reason?

I am feeling incredibly bitter that she just left that building tonight with thousands of people thinking she is a saint, and that other potential bots may see that clip and be encouraged to sign up. I'm talking about those in Africa who she recruits.

Other bots like Yawn aren't great people but at least they don't pretend to be Saints and they tirelessly do charity work.

@Whiterangey - In terms of exposing dodgy charities, this is unfortunately small fry.

Even more unfortunately, in the grand scheme of things in the charity world, it is not even that dodgy. There is no major misuse of funds or embezzlement, nor are there any claims of personal misbehaviour by any of the officers or other representatives of the charity.

The only tangible misdeed is the delay in providing accounts.

A good friend of mine, who died two months ago, did a lot of investigative journalistic work to expose the misbehaviour of major charities in the developing world- this is not worth it on those terms.

You have to think of the platform you want to use and the purpose of any exposé.

It would be a personal issue with BS, rather than FLP. Something along the lines of:

"This successful businesswoman trades on her philanthropic credentials. She has made millions from 'network marketing' schemes that some have criticised as thinly-veiled pyramid schemes, using her charity work to provide a veneer of respectability to her activities , and gain an adoring (and lucrative) following.
However, a closer inspection of her widely acclaimed charitable activities reveals..."

Do we have a publisher?

I was thinking of one of the anti-mlm blogs. The charity itself doesn't appear to have done anything illegal, apart from not submitting it's latest accounts. It's possible that is because the charity isn't doing anything over there any more, I can't find anything charity related in the past couple of years.

My problem is purely with BS. She went over there under the guise of helping the charity, but instead signed up people to forever. It costs 7 months average wage in Malawi to sign up with Forever. That is in BS's own words on the charity page. She talks about 100 people in a room listening to her business page. Some coming back the next day with the money, others asking to wait a month to give her the money.

These are people who had to have a well built to provide them with running water. They have nothing, yet she happily took 7 months of wages from them.

I dread to think where they got the money from, and what happened when they couldn't pay it back. It's too chilling to think about.

It is all there on the charity page. If you search for her name and Malawi you will find it.

She actually states on the charity website that she went over there to look at the village and to sign people up for forever, she isn't ashamed about it. She seems proud that it costs 7 months average wage and people were desperate to join.

Not shocked they wanted to join, not when she likely told them of all the money they would make.

I likely didn't make myself clear enough that I have no problems with the actions of the charity, just a problem with how BS used her role as part of the charity to sign up people from such a poor place.

I am so sorry for the loss of your friend. They sound like they were a great person in doing the investigative work.

White, the problem with all this is having an effective platform to attack an individual.

FLP will claim ignorance (should this make any splash). The charity no longer functions, according to your research.

This would be a crusade purely directed at an individual who is, in official eyes, at worst involved with a minor charity that is late with its accounts.

Her main misdeed is peddling the destructive illusion of MLM, a pyramid scheme hidden behind the purported selling of a product. This illusion has been used to extract millions from unsuspecting victims in the UK, but the activity remains perfectly legal.

This individual is now using the foothold that her minimal charity work has provided her with in impoverished African countries to peddle her schemes there, enabling her to profit from false promises made to people much less able to bear the losses they will incur. Yet, all of this remains legal.

Furthermore, this person is disguising her nefarious activities in vulnerable communities as acts of altruism, bolstering her credentials and ability to build her business here. All of which is also legal.

As long as MLMs are accepted as a legitimate activity, there is nothing to hang her on, apart from immorality & greed, both being qualities embraced by our current government.

The leading individuals in MLMs have all abandoned morality as a guiding principle.

Do we go after them as individuals (who, abhorrent as they may be, have not necessarily broken any laws), or concentrate our fire on the scourge of MLMs that normalise this sort of behaviour?

One does not preclude the other, as examples of egregious behaviour help back the general claim against MLMs.

I suppose it all depends on the platform we're given.

Also,@Whiterangey, this is not a time to be despondent.

While some shitbags may indeed still be getting away with it, we have just witnessed FLP's death in the UK (the corpse may twitch for a while, but there is no coming back).

Oh- a certain unpleasant bot did not get a cheque either.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend.

Castle bro has taken down his reference to castle’s cheque. A bit weird?! It’s still screenshotted on castlemums page though.

I understand why yawn hasn’t come in for so much criticism on here, it’s the whole selfie, self promoting posts which seem far more blatant than most of the other top boys (who did get cheques...), but given she didn’t even get a cheque, she should get a break.

while they don’t post as much gunk and drivel on FB, it’s the bloodsuckers of this world we should be fighting against. I dread to think how many lives she’s ruined because of her greed. Children probably haven’t gone to school, have gone hungry, have gone without medicine they need, because of the hundreds spent on forever lining her Wallet.

It also shows it’s not all about selfies, make up, and posing which will get you to the top- the 2 top bots lost significantly less as a proportion than others bots, Andy that was due to shrewd game playing/😖cc manipulation (no 2) and a move into developing markets (no 1).

It is telling how much of a failure it’s been for uk team in how little is gushed about cheques this year. Most can’t even bring themselves to mention it rather than have to explain the reason for it - that the market is in free fall.

What would the Charities Commission make of Bloodsucker's antics?

Roomie is out celebrating large cheques! Does she mean the actual size of the cheques presented rather than the amount they are worth? Not that she or roomie yawn got anything anyway.

Would someone let me know who BS bot is?

BS is a Blood Sucker. Such creatures were used in medieval times for medical purposes.

Are those benighted bots who didn't get great big plastic cheques going to invoke the law of attraction by borrowing others' cheques, posing with them and having photos taken to put on their vision boards?
A certain bot got her minions to do that a while back and posted the photos to see on FB.

Speaking of Yawn she blocked my FB account merely because I'd commented on and liked Timeless Vie posts. Imagine how much time and energy it must have taken her to block everyone whose ever interacted with TV? I can still see her FB with all those filtered pics she posts with my other FB accounts though! 😂

Whose? Who has!!

I'm sorry for typing in Botlish.

That was a v interesting and informative discuss about BS and her charitable activites, thanks twentytwenty and whiterangey.

I am really worried for my Bot friend. She ventured into FLP a while back but I don’t think she makes any money from that. I only check on her occasionally as I unfollowed her when the Law of Attraction posts started in earnest (particularly as I know that some are just lies).

Alongside meagre sales through FLP she’s been getting into what I think are pure pyramid schemes. One recent post she’s tagged in has her down as an investor with people I really don’t think she’s ever met.

I checked on Wig this morning and it turns out that we now have a mutual friend in common...my Bot friend is now linked to Wig.

I could ignore the nonsense before, but Wig being involved in any way is genuinely concerning.

What can I do? Is there anything on Wig that I can send my friend? That said, I am not even sure how I can explain how I know that they are connected on Facebook.

This is awful

Castles sister has a very conveniently blurred photo of herself on her Instagram story of castles cheque ... so it looks like hers . You can make out the amount but not the name....

@norma27
Your comments are interesting about Uber pre FL and again the lies told to portray this once shy, retiring type of person. It seems like a lot of these types of women feel that they have to be ruthless in their MLM business and their personal lives.

Yawn and Uber are both highly controlling individuals, one is seeing what Yawn is doing with Facebook and how she is remains mute over certain questions. I guess Uber is no different and has to control her image. Apparently a couple of years ago when the father of her baby posted up photos of her wide mouthed and snoring on a plane journey, which if taken at face value, was just a funny situation, she didn’t see it as funny. Apparently, she gave him the bollocking of his life. She couldn’t control him and he ended up dumping her.
Uber needs full control in her business and personal life and she needs loyal individuals - bribes them with gifts and money by the looks of things.

The comments made by someone about Uber buying cc’s now does not surprise me because she will stop at nothing to get what she wants. I guess FL allow her to do this and turn a blind eye as she’s making money for them and this business is all about money.

I do hope that sales of FL continue to fall in the UK and more people are wiser and more informed to not buy into this utter bollocks.

The lies and controlling nature of the bots are fascinating. I’m hopefully meeting up with mine and Uber’s mutual friend soon so will try to find out some more. I can’t imagine she would say anything bad about her tho. I know she gets mad about other friends being pulled into fl by Uber tho.

I’m also hoping this is the beginning of the end. Surely fewer people will join up now. I really hope so.