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Help with budgeting please!

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user1497106881 · 10/06/2017 16:25

Hi all,
I'm married with two kids and I'm really struggling to find a method of budgeting that works with my partner. As I'm sure you can imagine, this is leading to arguments and stress.

My wife has worked on and off part time for the last 10 years and brings in less than £800 a month. I run my own business, and make up the rest each month.

On paper, our out goings are (say) 3K, but we have trouble sticking with this.

When we go over budget, the onus is me to find the extra money from my company. This is a pain as I'd much rather create a buffer so that the next month's money was ready - rather than (as now) we tend to live month to month.

The method we've tried is this:

  • create a spreadsheet of all outgoings
  • create a set of separate accounts to help save towards things like Xmas, birthdays, DIY, emergency, holidays etc

My aim is obviously to build up money in these accounts so that we are planning a lot more and spending from what we have accumulated - rather than bouncing around in the overdraft.

Aspects of this approach has worked e.g. we take out £100 a week in cash for food, once that is gone, it's gone. Spending cash is a good way to watch where your money goes! We also did well last year saving up a chunk of money for Xmas.

We also manage to put a little bit of money aside for the each of us each month so that we can spend a little on what we like - allows you to escape the tyranny of the budget and to spend your bit on whatever the heck you want.

The problem is, in general, it doesn't really work.

My partner spends what she wants. Not in a crazy fashion - but there's never a thought of "Where is this coming from?", "How much can we spend at B&Q?' etc - it's just "well, we need this, so I must by it". It just reaches a point where she says to me "When can you put more money in?", and I'm increasingly find that unfair.

The really stress point here is that it is up to me to make up the shortfall. You might think that I need to put more consistently & I have done in but I'm loathed to keep on upping the ante each month unless it is in light of a controlled budget - otherwise, as a business owner, I'm not making hay when the sun shines. If I have a bad few months (as can happen), there are no reserves to draw on as we aren't really budgeting; and, when that has happened, I get "why aren't you paying money in?" - completely oblivious to what I've contributed to date.

I've tried to speak to my wife, but it's just the source of arguments. She doesn't understand my point of view that I feel this is unfair on me as I need to find the short fall all the time. She finds talking about money boring (as if it's something I want to talk about!) and gets defensive and argumentative about it. I've explained that if I did not work for myself, and had a fixed monthly wage (as most people do), we would have to find a way to resolve this. And, part of me thinks about doing just that to force the situation - i.e. with a fixed wage you simply can't find more money each month.

I'm sure my wife's money will improve in time, but I'd rather be in the position that, as it improves, we are spending it sensibly. At the moment it's chaotic, and stressful.

Any ideas?

What budgeting approaches work for you?

Thanks

J.

p.s. apologies for the long, rambling email.

OP posts:
user1497106881 · 11/06/2017 09:18

Malfoyy

Ah! Interesting! Can you tell me a bit more about your experience with Squirrel, please? How easy was it to set up? Pros? Cons?

I do like the idea of it ring fencing your money - this might be a simple approach for us

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lougle · 11/06/2017 09:21

Another vote for YNAB here! It will genuinely revolutionise the way money is dealt with. It's empowering, too.

You can have your saving for Christmas category. You can save for birthdays, DIY, car repairs, etc., all within the same account - it doesn't matter that the money is all in the same account because it all has a job assigned to it.

The clever part is that your wife will start to see that if she wants a pot of paint, she will have to take money away from Christmas, or she won't be able to have that bottle of wine in the grocery shop, or there won't be enough money for school uniforms, etc. - The same amount of money will only stretch so many ways. It's so incredibly visual!

You can get reports showing your spending trends with the chrome YNAB tool pack also, and it really helps to show how much you spend on rubbish!

allthebestplease · 11/06/2017 09:39

You must must must read this blog...it changed my life and my DH we were over spending and now we are aren't.

www.mrmoneymustache.com/

Also we had to go hard core and simply stopped going to the shops and stopped eating out, stopped online shopping etc. Only place allowed is Lidl.

allthebestplease · 11/06/2017 10:04

Also another that changed my life...also listen to their pod casts and they've made a film.

www.theminimalists.com/

Spice22 · 11/06/2017 10:20

I agree with picketfences - you can budget all you want but it won't work if she doesn't understand the concept. You just have to be firm and say "Next month". Even if it is something that seems important, be firm. The only way to stop this is to show her that money runs out. Set a fixed monthly amount and do not budge !

user1497106881 · 11/06/2017 10:49

lougle, allthebestplease - many thanks for input, and links. YNAB gets a lot of votes

Spice22 - I'm really tired of being the bad guy here. When I point out that I feel like it's all on me, I get "oh, well done you on supporting your family!"

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NormaSmuff · 11/06/2017 11:05

tell her you are a team

NoSquirrels · 11/06/2017 11:24

As I said before, OP, YNAB app really took the focus away from me saying no, we've got no money (& this being the bad guy). The app showed my DH who is very visual (agree with PP how useful it's interface is for this) that spending on X could only happen at a cost of Y. And usually Y was something he really cared about getting!

lougle · 11/06/2017 11:27

If you do get YNAB, use it in Chrome and get the (free) <a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/toolkit-for-ynab/lmhdkkhepllpnondndgpgclfjnlofgjl%3Fhl%3Den&ved=0ahUKEwikwPr_ybXUAhWILcAKHdmsAK0QFggdMAA&usg=AFQjCNHgBZAbLIW36gXx9CjICrb7S2rVhA&sig2=tLs2YpUEu2yvpvIV7qzAHg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">YNAB toolkit extension for Chrome - it gives you reports, balance totals, and more.

emma8t4 · 11/06/2017 11:36

I have a spreadsheet one tab details the current month, highlighting everything in green once it's gone out of the bank. A separate tab keeps track of forecast v actual spending and has the full year on. That then gives us the opportunity to identify where we over or under spend and either adjust the budget going forwards or make cut backs.

If you are consistently going over budget it sounds like this is what you need to do, your allowances are either too small or you need to adjust your spending. It's so hard when one of you isn't on board though.

HoneyWheeler · 11/06/2017 11:41

Seconding YNAB - it's a great budgeting tool and you can see where every penny is going and how much is available to spend before you do it. Syncs to mobile phones as well on apps so you can easily check how much is avail before you make the purchase

allthebestplease · 11/06/2017 18:19

Read the post from the blog I linked to between him (mr Money Moustache) and the owner of YNAB, really interesting, they drive a Tesla.

I liked YNAB too but it's no do much the spread sheet but the mindset and that's what I learnt from mmm blog.

Moanyoldcow · 11/06/2017 19:26

Sorry - I came back late!

If we want to eat out etc and it's not budgets for specifically we either split it or one of us treats the other out of our own designated money.

We frequently go out for meals and it's actually nice to treat each other.

All the budgeting tricks and tips will be useless though if your wife refuses to cooperate.

My DH and I are on the same page which makes it all my much easier.

AdoraBell · 11/06/2017 23:49

I second telling her you are a team. The team need to work together towards the goal. So, what is the goal? School uniform/holiday/Christmas/Uni fund for DC/retirement? How does she think you can achieve this? Obviously not in a confrontational way, do your best to make it a calm conversation and don't raise to the bait if she starts shouting.

And YY to telling her there is no more money until next month. Could you manage on the salary without using the dividend?

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