MLM Bot Watch 20 - chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etc

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Bot Watch 19 - chat about Utah based tragicomic cultastic racketeering scamalangadingdongs like Forever Living, Ariix, Herbalife, Younique, Juiceplus etc etc etcThread 19
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The niavity that you don't seem to understand Pareto 80/20 rules of wealth distribution not MLM rule to is a statistical fact of life your $2 per distributor is meaningless apply correct statical facts and people will sit up and listen your mathematics and application of distribution leave much to be desired

Thank you for that, Toobusy.

Does your boss get paid the same as you? the CEO perhaps are they also on your hourly rate $2 per day ? no I didn't think so in any business there is a pecking order you start at the bottom and work your way up, some succeed, some don't que sera sera, there's only one CEO in any business and many many workers at the lower level plus management levels senior management etc etc yearning think the cheese made me tired or it could be your lame reponses or lack or them - post this thread or that thread boo boo someone's putting an objective view across and making us look like the real bitch fest parslaii princess failures we really are

$200 million divided by 100 million people will leave on average $2. AVERAGE. My maths there is sound I believe.

Of course, in reality, some people will get more (big cheques in nice countries) and that also means most people will get a lot less. A lot less than $2 a day isn't much.

I feel sorry for the majority of people in MLM who will be getting less than $2 a day.

It's an excellent piece, if a very saddening one.

Gosh that is actually a terrible thought, I do hope that no one reading such posts ever feels that way. And for what it's worth I think that any such individuals would have rather think skin as they have already stated they pay no mind to it. But I think the topic of fragile people in MLM is an important one to raise - much like the pressure and bullying in the uplines as our resident bots have described and the tactics used to ensure people are hitting targets - I think it truly highlights that MLM is not for everyone - you will be expected to push yourself rather publicly and with as with anyone who becomes a 'name' there will always be people who disagree with them - even Beyoncé has people who disagree with her tactics (marketing wise, particularly at the moment).

I guess putting yourself out there and attracting attention is the name of the game, that comes with negatives, not just on these threads. There are lots of others out there, ones that are not moderated like these ones are and allow names and such to be published.

Maybe this is something that people should also consider when recruiting? Can your prospect hack this? Can they mentally cope with it, both the pressure and the downsides? What if they look on the Internet (again, not just MN) and see negativity? Will they be able to cope?

Some of the very thought-provoking posts by ex MLM adherents might be worth your re-reading, Patzy.

I was musing on internet / social media quote posts and remembered this Jezebel article from a few months ago:
jezebel.com/on-the-origin-of-certain-quotable-african-proverbs-1766664089
A good short article that tries to find citations for a popular quote - spoiler - she isn't able. After many years of researching, writing and reviewing out of context and uncited quotes make my teeth itch.

So as an example Tesco CEO earns £4.133m in compensation per annum the average wage of his employees £16k per annum your mathematics are distinctly flawed that Tesco model looks like a pyramid to me ???

When I go to my JOB I don't go in hoping to earn what my CEO is earning. I also don't walk out from my job at the end of my shift, having earnt just $2.

Have you looked at any MLM income disclosures? Do you think it doesn't apply to you? Does your MLM have one? If not, why not?

I was thinking, in particular, of the posts on Timeless Vie from ex MLM adherents.

I fully understand MLM marketing plans many of them and read your interpretation of them with a deep sigh and shake of my head you honestly don't need to be a genius to understand these what bemuses me is you have copies of the policy handbooks for a few companies yet you still get it completely wrong. The only point I agree with you on is your synopsis of LTW mint sauce for breakfast and yazoo it would go down well in our household.

Still no one has answered my question why are you constantly targeting individuals not company's?

An "average" Tesco employee doesn't have to recruit more Tesco employees to get compensated / paid. They have a contract, hourly rate, sick pay, holiday pay, pension contributions, national insurance contributions, paid maternity leave, paid paternity leave, a uniform, paid breaks with discounted refreshments, discounts on their shopping, employers that are bound by employment laws, health safety laws, anti-discrimination laws, the protection of a Union. And their chocolate croissants are bloody lovely.

I may balk at the salaries of some CEOs but I know I am not qualified to do that job and would not "rise though the ranks". My favourite high street business is Timpsons www.timpson.co.uk/about-timpson/ They have a very inspiring owner.

toobusy perhaps you should set yourself higher targets! self limiting beliefs of what you are actually worth versus what some employer told you you were worth via a salary or hourly rate?

A self employed business owner of any guise does not get any of these things either , is the point you are making I made a mistake telling my employer of 11years to shove their shit job where the sun doesn't shine a mistake all those years ago ? which subsequently led to my good fortune and thriving global business? wish I'd known sooner I'd would of stuck with 70hours per week for £34k instead of financial freedom I have now oh well harsh lesson for me I guess must research more next time and listen to threads like this? so informative Huns thanks

I don't believe individuals are being targeted, people are discussing many topics on the threads. If you read back to what recent Forever Living managers who have left have been posting, with all of their answers to the questions posed and information about what goes on behind the scenes, you will see that there is a lot of valuable information here.

I will say though, I actually thought to myself today how this was the first time in a long time that any one individual has been mentioned on the threads, and it was done so as their has been some errors on their part and as I believe, because ex FL managers have had the fortune of working alongside them. But as you know, it isn't just here. There are other threads on other forums where these people are being not only mentioned but named. If you're concerned then it may be worth you while going to those threads. MN is very well monitored and I don't believe that there is anything more than light hearted discussion here, more in jest than being nasty. Again, you will find much worse out there.

These threads are targeting MLMs as a whole, anyone reading can see that. Not just one MLM either. If you are concerned about the mental health of any individual MLMers though that may be cause for discussion.

What in the what now??

You and I don't use the same measure to calculate our respective worth.

Is your business only global? Mine is currently Galactic set to go Interstellar next month and with the universe expanding infinitely (probably) who knows where the next sales conference will be? said it on the internet, must be true

Fair do's - don't do a job you don't enjoy but then don't hoover up loads of unsuspecting minnows in your giant factory ship of MLM for unsustainable financial gain.

Is it morning yet? Can I have a chocolate croissant now?

If you feel that is derogatory I suggest you do not look elsewhere. Other forums can be quite unkind! As I say, this is the first time in a long time, mainly as there are a lot of newcomers who aren't aware of the new rules here, that anyone has really been mentioned. To break your silence now seems strange in comparison to previous threads. Unless of course, you simply changed your name.

Also, if everyone stopped their £30/£40k jobs to sell aloe products on tabletops and recruit their friends, I believe the world would come to a standstill.

Not everyone is passionate about MLM, not even those doing it. This is not because they lack drive or vision, but simply as they have other goals and priorities. Not everyone will make money from it as it is already a very saturated market, becoming increasingly more saturated by the day.

Hitting 4CCs can be difficult, especially if you live in an area where there are already lots of people involved in the business and as you know that barely turns a profit.

I think someone is missing his social media

• do you check your CEO beliefs before accepting a role?

I do. I check that companies that I work for are ethical and that the company leaders display a similar outlook to me. For example I wouldn't work for nestle as their ethics surrounding, well almost everything, are poor. I prefer not to work for companies where their top members are tory party donors. Environmentally I don't support hs2 so I don't want to work for companies that are helping push on with that.

If I were working for a company who had openly questionable opinions I would feel very uncomfortable supporting them in any way.

I'm very proud of my company's ethics too.

I would agree that it must appear that this thread is more pe tonal than others, but that's partly due to newbies to the thread and also because of the FL Global shizzle. You'd have to already know who was being talked about to know ho they were.

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You say to go after the company not after individuals.

A) we ARE going after the company as much as possible. All LTW chat is about company. We've posted endlessly on FL policies, compensation plans. There is nothing we would like better than to bring these companies down and to see the uk government make them illegal.

2. reality is these companies hide behind their business owners. They ensure that all the risk is with the owners not the company (health claims etc...) Therefore the top bots are the face of the company. Facebook posts/Twitter posts are the insights into these companies.

3. Top bots are self proclaimed public figures. They are the people nearest the top of the pyramid. They are the ones which other bots will use to sell the dream 'look xxx got a $million cheque'. They are the ones pushing the myth despite knowing that the vast, vast amount of people will make no money (and actually make a loss). Therefore it is right that their words are put under scrutiny.

I am happy, for example, that top bot knows we are totally against her increasing her pyramid in Uganda, pushing more and more people deeper into poverty, knowing that the vast amount of people who join the scheme will lose money.

That's the point isn't it, the whole 'look at me so successful' which we know from testimonies that it isn't always the case, those cc are being bought or bullied out of people that pisses everyone off. Those chequers are made up from the hard work of vulnerable people who are never going to get a cheque like that, unless they can con more people into doing it

They are even having to 'order swap' with each other as there just aren't enough people left to con. No matter let's go and con some poor people in a this world country