Everyone on Tax Credits are benefit scroungers and shouldn't be breeding!

[CarrieLouise25]

First of all guys, this is an attention grabbing headline. I DO NOT subscribe to this awful statement, and others that are flying around about the tax credit cuts.

The Tory government have really pulled the wool over the eyes on a lot of people on this one.

Everyone out there seems to believe that these tax credit cuts are only hurting those unemployed. Anyone on tax credits is being deemed lazy, good for nothing benefit scroungers, and people are tired of paying for them.

No for one moment has anyone realised that 75% of those on TC's are actually working. But our jobs are so shittily paid, the TC's have topped us up so we can actually afford to buy some food.

Here's an article here about parents who are happy with the cuts:
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/its-time-child-tax-credits-6035167

We are going to be worse off, and I know lots of you on here are going to be hit badly by these cuts, yet we work.

Is it our fault that we have low paid jobs? It is our fault that it costs so much to live in this country, our low paid job doesn't cover it?

I don't know if there's anything we can do, but I really don't want to sit here and do nothing and watch so many hard working families struggle. I'm tired of being broke as it is.

There's been comments flying around that 'if we'd all paid more attention in school, we could all have those better paid jobs'. Really smart arse? Then who does those low paid jobs? Who cleans your house? Who cleans your car? Who stacks those shelfs, or answers the phone to help you with your enquiry? Someone has to do these jobs, and these jobs aren't well paid. Does that mean because we're not 'bright' enough, or well educated enough, or not given the opportunities that you had, that we aren't able to have children?

By the way, it's rich people that have children. Poor people just breed.

Tax credits were there to help families with children, and workers on their low wages to top them up, so that they can have a better standard on living. More comments flying around is that maybe if we all got rid of our iPhones, Sky Packages, and stopped smoking, then maybe we would get by without benefits. Anyone been reading the Daily Mail too much??? I don't smoke, have an iPhone, or Sky. Our car is 15 years old. There is no lavish lifestyle on benefits here.

The Tory government have done a great job on painting us poor to be real scum, so when they came to cut the tax credits, they would all cheer.

And where is the compassion? Or is anyone not bright enough to see beyond what the newspapers want you to see.

I've been working since the age of 16. Paying my taxes for nearly 20 years. So I pay into the system, and when I need help, I can't take from it?

What if life was good, and wages were good, and we had our children, and then shit happened. We needed help. Should we not have had children? At what point are you so financially stable that you are allowed to have children?

Redundancies happen. Cancer happens. Shit happens. Where is the compassion from those so well off, that they could contribute to that system that helps those less fortunate. We have bugger all money, but I still put food in the food banks, as I know someone else is worse off than us.

How can we get across how much this is hurting the parents that are working? How can we change perceptions of that rich/poor divide?

We have to do something. The Nasty Party is well and truly back.

Fucking hell, it makes you want to leave the country.

Why shouldn't people be looked after,in a wealthy country?

Why SHOULD we!? where has this massive sense of entitlement come from?! To the extent we are looked after? The UK national debt is £4.8 TRILLION.

Not when other taxpayers who haven't got a lot of money themselves are doing the looking after. Harriet Harman was on Sunday politics supporting some of the tax credit cuts. Especially the one limiting future claims to two children. Even Labour realise the welfare state can't just keep on growing and growing. It's for the truly hard up. Not so as folk can choose to work part-time and top up or choose to be SAHP's and so on.

I feel very lucky to have a school hours term time job. It is very low paid and I can only comfortably support dd and me thanks to tax credits.

I have worked full time all my life but having dd with autism changed things for us. Since she got to 11 years plus childcare is virtually non existent after school and in the holidays which is why this job is a godsend.

In theory I could take another job, maybe weekends or evenings to provide the same top up as tax credits but I'm not sure if I could earn enough to pay someone to look after a 15 yo dd while I worked these hours. Similarly if I took a 9-5 full time job I would have the same childcare issues.

There are so many individuals with very specific needs that are bunched together as feckless, scroungers.

a proportion of GDP, Britain’s national debt has been higher than it is now for 200 of the past 250 years. Read that sentence again. Check it on any graph by any historian. Since 1750, there have only been two brief 30-year periods when our debt has been lower than it is now.

That's not a link.sorry. just a quote

I got tax credits when they first started - when 10% of families got them.
I carried on getting them up till I was able to afford 2 overseas holidays a year.
That was clearly unsustainable.

What is awful is that the cuts have been targeted at the bottom not the top.

But Gideon and Dave do not care about anybody outside their gilded little hereditary rich circle.

I just saw someone on another forum post the estimated thresholds for child tax credits. One child = £21k, 2 children = £26 500, 3 children = £32k. This is without childcare costs or disabilities. I'm quite shocked by how big the drops in thresholds are. I wonder whether many people are still unaware how much they are going to lose from April 2016?

Loving it in all senses, the thread and the law changes. Keep it up.

As far as I see it, the bigger problem is not tax credits, but the extortionate cost of housing / living.

Tax credits saved me from starvation when I left my abusive XP with two babies in tow. I had a full-time job which I continued despite being made homeless as a result of leaving that abuse. The trouble was that by the time I'd paid for the roof over my head and the childcare that enabled me to keep that full-time job, i was running at a deficit because I earned too much to qualify for any benefits other than the basic child element of tax credits and child benefit. I went without food regularly and once the DC were in bed, sat huddled in a duvet working on my computer (extra hours to make ends meet) because I couldn't afford the heating.

I don't know where I or my DC would have ended up if it had not been for tax credits. I am delighted that I no longer rely on them and my life is totally different, but I will never forget how hard those years were and how much those credits helped and I will never judge any mother for relying on them. The effect on single mothers - the parent who had the moral compass to take responsibility for their DC - is going to be catastrophic I think.

But hey, let's charge people for using the CSA so that even more NRPs can get away without paying maintenance.