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Its all over, DH pleading guilty on 13th October

59 replies

puddytats · 21/09/2006 12:56

Thats it really, can't fight any more, have nothing left to give, We are going for the shortest time away now and hope it will be less than a year.
Thankyou for all the support everyone has given me/us.

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saffy202 · 21/09/2006 16:06

Does this mean that you will also be going to prison puddytats?
Have been checking for updates and hoped there would be some good news.

Haven't spoke to you before - dh was once accused of something he didn't do and the whole case was nonsense even down to the fact we had credible witness's to verify he didn't do it - however our solicitor said that it didn't matter if he was innocent or not the police believed he had committed a crime so it was up to us to prove he was innocent.

Have to say I lost faith in the whole legal system after that - I thought it was "innocent until proven guilty".

We had a better result and they dropped the case before it went to court and paid all our costs.

Are you sure it is the right decision and you aren't going to think I wish I had kept going? There was no way I was going to let dh take the blame for something he didn't do but can understand there is only so much money and strength you can throw at it.

sunchowder · 21/09/2006 16:15

Puddytats I am so sorry to hear this, I remember your original thread. I don't understand how this can happen, or why he would plead guilty if he is not--to much for my brain. Just feel so badly for you.

expatinscotland · 21/09/2006 16:17

Oh, puddytats!

I am SO, SO sorry to read this!

((HUGS))

CapedCrusader · 21/09/2006 16:18

Puddytats, I am so sorry to hear that this is the decision you have had to make.

My heart really goes out to your whole family

janinlondon · 21/09/2006 16:24

I am presuming the money was taken out in cash? So sorry to hear this. It seems incredibly unfair to me.

satine · 21/09/2006 16:29

Oh, god, you poor poor things. What a horrible situation from start to finish. Although every instinct in me says no, if he's innocent he must fight, I know that you and your dh must have agonised over this decision every minute of every day, and if this is what you've decided is for the best, then so be it. I think of you all often, and wonder how you are doing. My offer of help always stands, no matter what or when, please just get in touch - I am quite local to you, I think.

suedonim · 21/09/2006 17:13

Whaaat?? I followed your previous thread, Puddytats, and can't believe it has come to this, that's just terrible. Why on earth should an innocent person have to go prison?? So much for justice, this really sucks.

CalifornifamousFanjo · 21/09/2006 17:17

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catsmother · 21/09/2006 21:12

There must be records of where the money went out to, as others have said. You may not be able to say where it went, but the bank(s) must surely be able to ???

This just doesn't make sense.

hulababy · 21/09/2006 21:14

I am really sorry that it has come to this

Freckle · 21/09/2006 21:16

I really, really cannot understand anyone pleading guilty if they are innocent. At the end of the day, it is for the prosecution to convince the jury that your dh is guilty. If you can show enough doubt, then they cannot come to that conclusion.

There must be records as to where the money went. If it was a question of thousands of pounds, no bank would allow someone to withdraw that sum in cash without a lot of questions being asked. If it was withdrawn in any other way, there would be a paper or electronic trail.

I am very surprised that your dh's solicitor or barrister are advising him to plead guilty.

catsmother · 21/09/2006 21:18

Even if it were withdrawn in cash, there would be records of such a transaction. Large sums would require ID, and then there would be the CCTV tapes from the bank too (though I don't know how long these are kept for).

You can't sneeze in your bank these days without them knowing about it.

Pixiefish · 21/09/2006 21:18

so sorry puddytats

Mercy · 21/09/2006 21:23

Puddytats, I only know a litte bit of your story.

When you say you can't fight anymmore, have nothing left to give, do you mean financially or emotionally? Have your solicitors advised this?

littleducks · 21/09/2006 21:27

This is so so unfair, i feel that someone innocent should never plead guilty but i understand from your other threads that it would probably be less damage for your family and you have to do what is best for your family.

curlysmum · 22/09/2006 13:08

This is terrible news ,i often wonder how you are getting along. are you 100% sure , I only say as my partner went through a similar experience 4 years ago , but would never plead guilty although the odds were stacked against him, we knew he was inocent and he was quite firmly prepared to do whatever sentence he was given but still plead innocent. There is always a chance that he may be found innocent as my partners case was thrown out in the end and he is now suing the police for wrongful arrest etc which will take years but it did cause us such hardship him being in prison for almost a year before the case as they refused him bail.

I'm quite sure he must have really thought very hard about this , but there is always a chance and it is so hard on the outside visiting prisons etc with children. My partner feels it was almost harder for me on the outside struggling to keep everything going than it was for him.
I really hope you are holding up ok , you will find the strength to deal with this , its actually made me very much stronger in the long run. take care of yourself and you children .

Marina · 22/09/2006 13:13

puddytats, something is not right here. There MUST be a record of where that money went after it was in your account, as others have said, money just does not vanish that way.
So very sorry for you and your children I truly am.
Has there been any investigation into the possibility that you and dh are victims of fraudulent conduct at the bank which handles your account? (am trying to think whether a dishonest bank employee could have taken that money somehow).

foundintranslation · 22/09/2006 13:16

Puddytats, just seen this and am extremely for you all.

I agree with all who say that something isn't right here. There MUST be a record of where the money went, and if there isn't the police and your sols HAVE to look into why not. Please make sure you have exhausted ALL avenues (although you probably do feel you have).

I am still hoping and praying the worst does not come to the worst.

batters · 22/09/2006 13:31

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soapbox · 22/09/2006 13:35

Hmmm yes Batters. This was a potential SFO investigation and they haven't found which bank account the cash was transferred into!

I think not!

catsmother · 22/09/2006 16:05

Puddytats - your case has always bugged me because it just doesn't seem to make sense.

Though let me say straight away that I have enormous sympathy for you and your children with the propsect of your DH going to prison .... never mind all the stress you've described up until this point. It must be unimaginally horrific.

But, as you've told us, large sums have gone missing from your husbnad's firm (if I remember correctly). Money that he would have had access to in the course of his job. If the prosecution is based on the fact that he somehow stole this money, there must be a trail ..... years before computers I would have thought it might be easier for money to disppear but not now.

The money must have left the firm in the 1st place. Now I am not saying this is what happened here (how could I ?) but I have read about cases where cheques have, for example, been written to erroneous causes (which, on the face of it, would appear to fit in with a company's business) where false accounts have been set up etc. But there would again be a trail for this. And these days, it's impossible to set up new accounts without ID - though I concede of course that false ID could be used. Nonetheless, in that scenario, there would still be a trail going into Mr xxxx's account, at which point surely handwriting experts would be called in to compare signatures, dates would be questionned & compared to your husband's known movements/alibis.

Alternatively, you read of cases where employees have been siphonning off money for years - undetected - because their boss trusted them implicity, didn't "bother" with the financial side of things and accepted the "truth" of the figures placed before them, even, in some cases, accepting a word of mouth valuation of their business. Sounds crazy, but some people really are that trusting. However, in those sorts of cases, when the theft has eventually come to light it's usually obvious where the money's been and gone. Those types of thief trust in the fact they will never be found out due to their bosses lack of financial noddle, don't attempt to defraud (further than the original theft and transfer) say, by setting up false accounts, and are well and truly caught red handed by a lifestyle which is totally at odds with the £15k a year they earn.

Now, I remember you saying when this originally came up that you swore neither of you had seen the money in question. Which then makes you think of colleagues forging your husband's signature on authorisations ....... but yet again, in that scenario you then go back to the whole trail issue. And were false signatures/authorisations an issue, then surely DH's solicitor advises handwriting experts ?

I just can't get my head round this at all. The only way I, as an ordinary member of the public can imagine large sums of money disappearing is in a cash run business (an unlikely way to run your business) where obviously there'd be no trail, no proof ...... and I take it that isn't the case here ?

I can obviously appreciate that you are feeling bewildered and shattered by all this and you have no obligation to disclose details on here. But I, and probably lots of others, do wonder what exactly it is that he's been charged with ? It all just sounds so crazy - and you can't help but wonder if there's maybe some bank-level fraud happening here ?

But - but - but ...... even then, I keep coming back to trailing this money. It must follow that on a particular date, a sum of £xxx was transferred or withdrawn in person. If so, who initiated the transaction ? Where was it transferred to ? ..... okay, it was transferred to such and such account. What are the subsequent transactions on that account ? Who does that account belong to ?

Are the powers that be saying they have "proof" your DH took this money, then put it into £xxx account of his ? You said you have never seen this money so how can that be ?

Sorry ..... I know I've gone on a bit. I really don't mean to harrangue you. My questions are more from a perspective of disbelief that someone can be charged with something like this where a trail would exist, and where, if he was the victim of an elaborate fraud involving identity theft, it would (to my amateur sleuthing mind anyway) be relatively easy to prove that he had not phoned x bank at x time (voice analysis if call recorded), had not signed slip on x date (alibis ?) etc.

I can't imagine that anyone would come on here and make such a story up and therefore do believe you when you've said before that you are totally bewildered by it all. I just don't see on what basis this prosecution can be going ahead based on what you've told us.

What does DH's solicitor say ?

curlysmum · 22/09/2006 17:01

catsmother, what a long post but I know its is very odd is'nt it , I know Puddytats says the money went in and out, but how, electronically, but I seem to remember ages ago she said something about a paying in slip which had not been completely filled out or stamped , that was way back, so I remember thinking maybe it was someone her DH worked with and had got together with someone at a branch of the bank. This seems to be very common place people getting together with bank cashiers, but then as you said they would have CCTV footage of the person paying it in or not as the case , maybe they don't keep CCTV records for that length of time???? its certainly very strange

Twiglett · 22/09/2006 17:03

Whether guilty or innocent I am sorry for you and your family Puddytats

MoreTeaAnyone · 22/09/2006 17:07

I have just read the thread and hadn't been aware of the others.
So for you. Hope you all get through it.

Judy1234 · 22/09/2006 19:37

I am not sure I'd plead guilty to something I hadn't done although if that means a year away from the children rather than 10 I suppose one might but then what if the lawyer says we'll get you 1 year and it ends up as 10 anyway?
Hire a private investigator to question others he worked with may be or show there is no change in your lifestyle which is usually showing for those who siphon off money - no sudden new cars, holidays etc which neighbours might have spotted. Hire an expert on hacking/bank transfers to show how and who set up and then withdrew funds if they were taken electronically perhaps. Get copies of deleted emails at the bank and employer for lots of employees to see who else might have been up to no good.
Try to think of an explanation as to how sums could appear in your account and you didn't notice or say antying to the bank or show the bank copies of your letters to them asking why all this money was coming in or prove bank statements were diverted to another address?

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