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internet legality (long sorry)

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waggledancer · 28/06/2006 21:40

My daughter showed us a web page on a chat site which has been written by a girl at her school. It contains my daughters e-mail address. This girl calls my daughter a hoe(sic) and claims she has had anal sex and other sexual experiences.

I have spoken to year lead for year 10 and 11 at her school. This did not occur at school, but she says if we take this to the police they will fully support us. School have quite serious concerns about this girl already.

What will happen if we report it to the police and what else can we do? can a 15yr old be sued for libel?

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NotQuiteCockney · 28/06/2006 21:42

I don't think you'd actually want her sued, would you? You just should report the problematic page to the chat site administrators, who will (I think) be eager to take it down.

NotQuiteCockney · 28/06/2006 21:43

DH agrees, says police would be no use anyway, as this is a civil matter.

I'd just email the site, and explain. They should jump to take it down.

LeahE · 28/06/2006 21:46

It's not actually illegal so the police wouldn't do anything. Suing someone for libel is very very very expensive, and if they don't have enough money to pay significant damages and your court costs (which I am guessing a 15 year old doesn't) you will end up MASSIVELY out of pocket. Massively.

Report it to the site administrators and get the post removed, and follow up with the school as they suggest.

Twiglett · 28/06/2006 21:52

I'd call her parents too

waggledancer · 28/06/2006 22:29

Have contacted police who will visit us, and probably visit school.

Site is American and this was reported but so far we have only received an e-mail confirmation of receipt of the complaint.

School is involved because their name is mentioned. Photos of our daughter are included and her e-mail address, so any loitering perv can see.

Just want to feel less impotent, and for this girl to understand she can't do or say whatever on the net without consequences

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Piffle · 28/06/2006 22:32

I'd certainly get the police liaison to del with this girl adn her parents
Given a minor and teh sexual context I think a community officer would deal with this along with the school

olivia35 · 28/06/2006 23:58

Teenagers are often mind-bogglingly thick re: consequences of 'expressing themselves' on t'internet.

I was covering an ICT lesson for teaching colleague not long back - she hadn't set sufficient work, so I allowed kids who had finished to work on homepages/play games/anything to keep the buggers quiet.

It was, frankly, a shock to see what these (nice, bright) 13 year olds were posting: spent some time discussing with them that it was not necessarily the slapper gear/spliffs/litre bottles of voddy on display in the pictures that shocked me (I did all that - although possibly when 16 rather than 13) - as much as the 'here's me, Katy, & my mate Charlotte, getting pissed at Charlotte's 14th birthday party at Bog St, Anytown. Any fit lads please email me at [email protected]' type captions.

Far too much personal info freely given out, & none of them could see why this was possibly NOT a good idea. I asked if they'd print these pages out & post them around their estate, & they were appalled at the idea - they really do regard the internet as 'their world' & separate from reality, IYSWIM. Apart from stuff which didn't present themselves in the best light, there was no shortage of slagging of classmates - again, they thought this was fine online.

Not minimising your dd's bully's behaviour - she definitely needs a stern word. HOWEVER sadly this sort of thing is pretty endemic & current legislation just hasn't caught up.

thewomanwhothoughtshewasahat · 29/06/2006 00:08

nothing constructive to add but wanted to express my shock. damn I'm naive. With a 6 and 4 year old we are yet to go beyond cbeebies and sending emails to grandad. Waggledancer I think you;re doing the right things - suing is a whole story in itself but if the police still do that old-fashioned thing of visiting someone and scaring the pants off them, then I'm sure that would be a good thing. I hope that that, plus some general guidance to all the kids, from the school, would sort the situation out. much sympathy as it's such a horrible thing to happen - but good for you for having a relationship with your daughter such that she's turned to you for help.

NotQuiteCockney · 29/06/2006 12:09

Hmm, let us know what the police say. I'm curious to know what they do. Since the Computer Crime unit got swallowed up by the Serious Fraud Unit (I think?), things are a bit strange.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/06/2006 13:05

The objectives of bullies are Power, Control, Domination, Subjugation. They get a kick out of seeing you react. It doesn't matter how you react, the fact they've successful provoked a reaction is, to the bully, a sign that their attempt at control have been successful. After that, it's a question of wearing you down. The more your try to explain, negotiate, conciliate, etc the more gratification they obtain from your increasingly desperate attempts to communicate with them. Understand that it is not possible to communicate in a mature adult manner with a disordered individual who's emotionally retarded.

The Number One rule for dealing with this type of behaviour is: don't respond, don't interact and don't engage. This is not as easy to do as it sounds. It's a natural response to want to defend yourself, and to put the person right. However, never argue with a serial bully; it's not a mature adult discussion, but like dealing with a child or immature teenager; whilst the serial bully may be an adult on the outside, on the inside they are like a child who's never grown up - and probably never will. Serial bullies and harassers often have disordered thinking patterns and do not share the same thoughts or values as you.

The second rule is to keep all abusive emails. Create a new folder, perhaps called "Abuse", and move hate mail and flame mail into this folder. You don't have to read it. When the time comes to take action, this folder of hate mail and flame mail is your evidence. Bullies, especially cyberbullies, are obsessive people and if their account is closed down you may start receiving mail from another address. This can later be compared to the abusive emails you've already received to identify the perpetrator. You'll find the same words, phrases and strategies occurring.

The third rule is to understand bullying. Read through Bully OnLine carefully, understand the profile of the serial bully. Recognise that you are not dealing with a person who has the same mindset as yourself. Bullying, and especially cyberbullying, has links with stalking - see www.bullyonline.org/related/stalking.htm for links to stalking sites.

Rule four is get help. If you're a young person, this is essential. Even mature experienced adults often cannot handle bullying and harassment by themselves. Sometimes you are dealing with a severely disordered and dangerous individual.

Rule five is become alert to provocation. It could be called "The Baiting Game". A provocative comment is made and those who respond spontaneously in irritation (eg non-assertively) are then encouraged to engage in conflict with those who respond without irritation (eg assertively). The provoker watches, waits and stirs the pot with the occasional additional provocation. What interests me is the sense of gratification that a provoker gains from watching others indulge in destructive interaction initiated by him- or herself. In this context, gratification is a perverse form of satisfaction akin to, but distinct from, pleasure.

The sixth rule is become an observer. Although you may be the target of the cyberbully's anger, you can train yourself to act as an observer. This takes you out of the firing line and enables you to study the perpetrator and collect evidence. When people use bullying behaviours they project their own weaknesses, failings and shortcomings on to others. In other words, they are telling you about themselves by fabricating an accusation based on something they themselves have done wrong. Whenever you receive a flame mail or hate mail, train yourself to instinctively ask the question, "What is this person revealing about themselves this time?"

The seventh rule is decide if you want to take action, and if so, prepare carefully and strike hard. Sometimes refusing to respond and engage will result in the cyberbully losing interest and going off to find someone easier to torment. Sometimes though, especially if there has been interaction in the past, the cyberbully is so obsessed that s/he cannot and will not let go. You will have to make that person let go, but only through swift, hard, legal action, and only when the time is right. Don't deal with the abuser yourself (this encourages bullies and stalkers), use a third party such as a solicitor.

Finally a reminder - never try to mediate, negotiate, conciliate or otherwise deal with a bully or stalker yourself. Always remember Rule #1: don't respond, don't interact and don't engage.

waggledancer · 29/06/2006 22:05

Having been impressed with the police response yesterday we have spent today waiting for the promised visit. The offending pages have been removed from the website, but we don't know by whom. On the upside my dd has now left said school so shouldn't be vulnerable to personal bullying.

The most upsetting thing about this is the thought that this is the norm and acceptable amongst our teens. And that not a lot can or will be done about it. I would hate it if this sort of filth was written about me and am admiring my daughters fortitude and restraint (most of her mates want this girl "banged out")

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NotQuiteCockney · 29/06/2006 22:33

It'll be the admin who removed it. I expect the police are maybe more interested in it as bullying, rather than as net misuse?

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