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WWYD? Need to start over again when we move house, and looking to the future...

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theborrower · 07/07/2012 13:03

What would you do? Everyone I talk to comes up with suggestions, but they've all been scuppered.

We bought our first flat (a small one-bed) in 2007. Since then we've had a baby (nearly 2 now) and need to look at moving because she will need her own bedroom at some point. She's still in a cot (she's quite petite) but when she outgrows it we don't have room for a bed in our bedroom. A sofa-bed in our living room is NOT a good option as we have a small kitchen / living room (this has already been suggested!).

We bought our flat with a 95% mortgage and therefore small deposit. If we sell we'll be lucky to get our original deposit back (judging by the sales of similar properties in our area), so in order to move we need to raise another deposit, only this time at least 10% because there are no 95% mortgages.

Also, when we move we need to completely remortgage because our lender (Bank of Ireland) has lost its licence to lend and has told us that they can't lend us any more money. This means we will be going up to much higher rates (already had this confirmed by our mortgage advisor) which means much bigger mortgage repayments :-(

People have suggested we rent our place out and rent ourselves a bigger place - we can't do this as we're not allowed to rent it out (mortgage advisor says we don't have the equity to switch to a buy-to-let mortgage). And besides, the cost of renting a two-bed place is more expensive than our current mortgage (which is low because we're now on the bank's SRV).

We have been saving hard and should be able to scrape together a deposit for a 2 bed flat (since they've fallen in value now, and cost the same as what we bought our one-bed for) with our savings, hopefully a few thousand from the sale, and parents have offered to make up the shortfall. But it'll be tight, and our payments every month will be huge, so a two-bed is all we can manage.

Someone I work with said that we should be really thinking of getting a 3 bed, because if we're wanting to have another baby down the line (we would - but this will have to wait as we can't afford 2 nursery fees!) then we'll just have to move again, and if house prices rise in this time we'll be priced out. When I said we can't afford a 3 bed, she said we'll just have to consider moving somewhere else, which means a commuter town nearby or a not-very-nice part of town.

The only way we could afford a 3 bed house or flat (which will still be very tight money wise, remember) is if we move out of the city to a town a few miles down the coast. I really don't want to move there because a) there is nothing to do there and I'll feel really isolated because b) it's far away from friends and family and c) we don't have a car, and can't afford a car (I don't even drive) which will mean a long commute on the bus for my husband, although not quite so bad for me and DD going to nursery. It will not be cheaper for us to move far out - we'll just have more space for our money.

I would rather sacrifice size for good location - we absolutely love where we are because it is close to work for both of us, family is near by, we have swim centre, soft play, shops, library etc all close by and there is a good school close by. We are also happy to get the bus everywhere or walk which we can do, as the buses are excellent where we are.

So, what am I asking??

Firstly, I guess, am I missing any tricks on the mortgage front?

Secondly - am I being a snob or pessimistic on the location thing? Are we being shortsighted by not looking to get a 3 bed that will do us forever, instead of a good two-bed (with a garden) which we can afford now (ish) and will still do us for a good few years? After all, who's to say that when the time comes we'll be able to have another?

Oh, the (very) occasional ex-council 3 bed flat comes up in our area which would be great if we could swoop in and get. Should that be our preferred option?

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Folicacid · 01/08/2012 18:08

I meant not T when I said D. Yikes this is confusing!

Piffpaffpommelhorse · 01/08/2012 18:13

Would you consider over the bridge. Bargains to be had here and lots of train stations for commute.

theborrower · 01/08/2012 21:08

Ach, let's stop dancing around it - Town A is Musselburgh, Town B is Prestonpans, Town C is Cockenzie/Port Seton. T is Tranent, D is Dunbar and H is Haddington. I'm in the east of Edinburgh, about a 10 minute bus ride from Musselburgh, and a 20-30min bus ride from Princes Street. You know what the traffic is like with these bloody tramworks ;-)

Musselburgh is nice - it has all the things that we need, and is still close enough to Edinburgh, family and work.

I don't like Prestonpans - sorry, but it's a giant housing estate. Everyone I know that lives there is car dependent. It's just that bit too far out, but not massively so. And Cockenzie / Port Seton aren't on the train line, and an hour into town on the bus. And we're not moving to Tranent. I hope I've not offended anyone!

The thing is, we do manage now (and we've been putting aside the extra, plus some, that we will be paying on a new mortgage away as savings towards our new deposit etc, so in a way it's not that we have to find more, if you see what I mean), and while things can feel tight, we still do ok. DD's nursery fees will also reduce next year because she turns 3 (can someone remind me how many free hours we'll get a month??) which will mean that things will feel a lot better. And of course the prospect of Baby Number 2 is still just a dream and a few years away...

I've been looking at ESPC and ex-council 2 beds come up in our preferred area in Edinburgh for around £125k and 3 beds for £140ish. We could strike lucky. I'm hopeful.

@twonker aye, good point...

@Piffpaff do you think we'd still need a car??

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PiffPaffpoff · 01/08/2012 22:21

3 bed 1970s semis on biggish plots here start at about £120k but then you need to factor in £1k+ a year for train fares. You would probably need a car. I'll pm you.....

FruitSaladIsNotPudding · 02/08/2012 12:14

Sell and rent and save until you can afford a three bed - house prices aren't going up and are probably going down. And you would lose money faster on a two bed flat - factor that into your thinking and renting suddenly starts to look cheaper! You would be taking a huge risk and spending a lot of money for a home which you would quickly outgrow.

Folicacid · 02/08/2012 15:26

I'm glad we aretint dancin around any more, it was getting confusing! Last question though, so we have all info, what is your preferred area of Edinburgh? Portobello?

Musselburgh is nice, bustling high street, hardly much farther than living in porty, can walk to portobello easily.

Agree ths prestonpans would mean you would ned a car. Haddington is lovely too, but does it not ave a pretty regular 5 bus...

Agree wit you on other points.

theborrower · 02/08/2012 20:29

@Piffpaffpoff - thanks for the PM, I've replied. Wow, you really do get a lot more for your money over the bridge. The commute is still a concern though - I work in Musselburgh, so there's still the connection to make.

@FolicAcid - Yes, Porty is my preffered area. I've lived here for years and I looooove it. I know I've been spoiled. Or somewhere nearby (e.g. Mountcastle etc). Musselburgh (not the dodgy part) is our second choice, and much more realistic.

Haddington has utter crap buses. They're really infrequent and shockingly expensive. You need a car or two cars for haddington.

@FruitSalad I know you talk a lot of sense. We're starting over again anyway. Maybe I should look into unfurnished places a bit more...

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