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Of Mice and Maltesers - Whinegums's book

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whinegums · 02/06/2009 21:00

Welcome to the thread for my book!

I read this quite some time ago, and it became one of my favourite books ever. It made me laugh and it made me cry, and I love it because I think it's inspirational; how one person can make their dream come true. I know how cheesy that sounds, and the book (I don't think) is cheesy.

I wasn't too keen at first, but I kept going with it - the subject isn't one I thought I'd be interested in at all. The author doesn't write in a particularly literary style, but I feel he is very authentic.

I'll stop there for now - I am currently re-reading it too, and I'm enjoying it as much as I ever did. I have loads of slightly wanky thoughts about metaphor, style, etc but I'll save those...

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stickylittlefingers · 03/06/2009 09:11

Hello! I just started it on the train this morning (and I've only got two squares of chocolate left - yuuuum). And am enjoying it from the start! A very clear style, which I definitely like.

Thank you!!

whinegums · 03/06/2009 09:49

Great! I also meant the book is NOT cheesy! P'raps chocolatey right now, but not cheesy.

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stickylittlefingers · 03/06/2009 10:11

ha ha - you can be sure I'm not wasting any of that lovely chocolate!

When I'm further through than page 8 (my train journey is not long! Tho some mornings I do consider just carrying on to Aberdeen) I will be happy to hear some of your wanky insightful thoughts on style etc

stickylittlefingers · 11/06/2009 09:35

Oh whinegums - I was reading the "bump" chapter on the train last night, and nearly burst into tears in front of all those faceless commuters... there was definitely welling up...

I absolutely love this book, and I'm going to have to get my own copy. I'm not sure why I've not heard of it, especially as it's been made into a film as well. Anyway, very glad I know about it now!

I hope it has a good ending tho...

whinegums · 11/06/2009 20:41

Hi stickylittlefingers, I've been awol from MN for a few days - RL catching up!

Oh, I am so so so glad you love the book!!!! And that you were welling up too. I'm still re-reading my own copy again - for the umpteenth time. However, my postnatal brain appears to have wiped most of it from the old memory banks, so I'm not sure which bit you mean! You might be ahead of me reading it too.

Shall we be wanky highbrow, and discuss some literary type points? For example, I feel that coal and especially coal dust, is a metaphor for everything bad and old fashioned. The way that Homer's mother refuses to have a speck of coal in her house, and makes his father shower twice before he's allowed in. And that anything that coal touches becomes corrupted or ruined in some way (like the houses, which are repainted regularly but always look dirty). Whaddya think?

By the way, I only vaguely knew about the film because I was tuned in to anything about the book, but I haven't seen it. I might order it from Lovefilm, just to see what it's like. Bad I suspect, from the way it's disappeared without trace, but then again, so few people know this book either, so it could also be a hidden gem.

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stickylittlefingers · 12/06/2009 14:32

actually, I've just put it on my lovefilm list and was just discussing with my room-mate (not much work going on here this pm!) why we'd never heard of it... the reviews are interesting. Definitely love it or hate it.

I must admit, if I hadn't known that it was a true story, I would have said that the characters were a bit stereotypical. HJH did say at the beginning that some of the characters were composites in order to simplify the story, but it's as if he simplifies his parents' and brother's characters as well.

Having said that, it's a cracking story, and he's a very sympathetic character. Only a few pages left to the end, then will have some considered musings!

MrsMuddle · 23/06/2009 22:06

I'm desperately trying to guess what this is, because it's my turn next!

stickylittlefingers · 24/06/2009 22:18

Mrs M - you must get off this thread! I think there might be spoilers...!

I've waited a bit to let this book settle, tho I must admit I'm still a bit undecided...

I think you are right about the coal dust. I was struck by how little description of people there is. Even love of his life Dorothy generally only has her clothes described. Is this just a world view of a man who is good at maths, I wonder!

I liked the book the best when it was describing the coal industry in Coalville and its demise - there was some passion there. Also he clearly loved his home town and the hills/mountains around, and I certainly had a good feeling of place.

I thought his portrayal of people was a little wooden tho -the "dad was hard on me but then I realised he really loved me" story line would have been very stereotypical if this had been a work of fiction - given it was a description of his life you have to take it at face value I suppose, but I thought it was a weak point in the story.

And equally I found the "oooh I didn't think we would win the competition and then we did" a little treacly too. Also felt that Quentin was the brains behind the team, tho I guess Homer was the driver (project-manager if you will!) without whom the rocket building would never have, erm,. taken off! But I did think Q was hard done by not to be at the science fair!! This is not literary criticism however!!

I did really enjoy it - more in the middle than at the end, perhaps, but even so, very glad to have been introduced! Thank you

whinegums · 04/07/2009 20:55

Stickylittlefingers - I think you are so right about the mathematical view of the world. The book does suffer somewhat from lack of characterisation, perhaps in preference of scientific description. I admit I skimmed those bits. I wanted story, not calculations and measurements!

I felt there were some great characters who should have been fleshed out some more - Jake Mosby, Miss Riley for definite, and maybe Mr Dubonnet too. I would have liked to read more about the pasts of Homer's parents and Mr D for example. And more about what happened to the boys afterwards, particularly Quentin.

However, I love the book because simply it is about following your dreams, and making them come true.

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MrsMuddle · 19/07/2009 15:40

Thanks for choosing this book, Whinegums. It arrived just before I went on holiday, so I added it to my already substantial pile.

As you'll see, I had a sneaky peek at this thread before I got the book, just to see if I could guess what it was. When the book arrived, I remembered you and Stickylittlefingers discussing the film, and as a result I put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5 - I had it in my head that it was the story of The Hunt For Red October. So I was really dreading reading it.

However, when I did start, I got into it quite quickly and finished it in a (very wet) day, in a caravan in France.

Coalwood reminded me of the place that all Glaswegian children are taken on a school trip - New Lanark, where social reformer Robert Owen improved the lives of the families who worked in the mill in the early 19th century.

The book brought home to me just how bad conditions were/are for miners - my grandad was a miner for many years, and I don't think I'd ever thought of the logistics of working in a mine, and the truly difficult working conditions. I've since asked my dad about my grandad's job, but he said that he didn't speak about it when he was at home, which says it all really.

Anyway - enough waffle. Although it was a book I'd never pick up (mainly because it's a true story and it's about rockets!) I found myself enjoying the story. I can't imagine the rockets they made - and the technical descriptions didn't help at all - but that side of the story was almost secondary to the main theme of friendship and making your dreams happen.

I thought it was a bit saccharine-sweet and sentimental, and not being American, I probably don't quite get the importance of the whole county science fair thing... The most remarkable thing to me was that Homer Hickman did, indeed, work for NASA as an adult.

LolaLadybird · 09/09/2009 21:46

Hi. Should have posted on this thread last month when I finished the book and only just realised I hadn't - sorry!

I have to say when I first received the book, I was quite uninspired by the cover and the synopsis but then came on this thread and had a peek at everyone's else's positive comments and felt a bit more excited. Anyway, I romped through it and really enjoyed it - my favourite book thus far. I can understand others' comments about it being saccharine sweet but I'm a girl with a terrible sweet tooth so that didn't bother me in the slightest.

I hadn't heard of the book or the film before so have added the film to my Lovefilm list.

A really good choice Whinegums - thank you.

Itsjustafleshwound · 24/09/2009 18:14

Another big thank you here - it was great to be able to read a real life story with a happy ending and didn't veer into blow by blow acounts of abuse or maltreatment! Not cheesy at all.

I thought the characterisation was authentic to the author - he wouldn't know how to give them a back story because he either already knew it or detracted from the rocket story ...

whinegums · 03/10/2009 12:59

Gosh, I hadn't realised it was so long since I'd posted on here!

MrsMuddle - yes, New Lanark - interesting comparison. And I suppose also like Bournville and other places like that where the big bosses were also trying to improve the lives of their 'charges'.

LolaLadybird and Itsjustafleshwound - glad you liked it. I agree on the lack of abuse and maltreatment - I really don't like those misery memoir books.

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pooter · 15/10/2009 13:22

Just finished it last night - it really gripped me and i had to read at any possible opportunity. (Thanks")

I enjoyed it hugely and felt totally immersed in Coalville. I didnt really get the 'coal dust as metaphor' stuff - i just thought "yeah, mining town = dusty!) If he had included photographs of the actual people (tricky with amalgamated characters mind you!) it would have been fascinating.

I agree that Miss Riley could have been fleshed out a bit more - it is clear that he appreciated her importance in his life with the quotation at the front of the book.

Working underground in the mine must have been hideous - so oppressive and dirty. I remember reading "How green Was my Valley" years ago and for the first time realising what a difficult job miners had/have. So why did Homer's dad want him to join him down the mine? I suppose he loved it and couldn't see how others might view mining.

I was gutted that he didnt get to meet his hero - and almost did. I'd have enjoyed a more lengthy section at the end about "where they all are now". The American college system is so unfairly biased towards those who can pay - poor Quentin - such a brain yet he had to struggle to get there. Worryingly we are heading down the same path...

anyway - enough from me - thanks Whinegums; a great choice!

pooter · 15/10/2009 13:22

whoops - that top line should have read (thanks ceebeebies )

artifarti · 13/11/2009 13:40

bump to get back on active threads page

muddleduck · 30/11/2009 12:29

Hi.
I've just finished this.
I don't really have much to add except that I really enjoyed this book. I loved the sense of community and the idea that so many people seemed to be living their dreams through the boys.
I'd loved to have known more about how the other characters saw the author. He wasn't the smartest or the most resourceful of the kids and yet he seemed to naturally take on the leading role. I wondered how much that had do do with his family's standing and how much was about his personality.
I also liked the way it dealt with the parents' relationship through the eyes of their son. It made me think a lot about how our children see us and how much they take for granted about they way we live.
thanks for a lovely simple book.

FlyingMonkey · 02/03/2010 10:51

Hey, well I finished this a few weeks ago but am only getting round to posting as I'm not sure I have much to add to what everyone else has already said. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed this book - I was a bit unsure because of the subject matter but it was such a lovely heart-warming story that I couldn't help but like it. Perhaps at times it was a little too simple and straightforward but then I guess it's told from a child's perspective. It also really made me think about the sort of working life the miners had to endure - my grandfather was a miner and so was my dad for a few years during his teens - and it made me appreciate how back-breakingly hard the work must have been. No wonder my dad always thought I was a bit of a lazy bugger for lolling around of my bed reading all day! .

I also would have liked to find out a bit more about what happened to Homer's friends. I was gutted that poor Quentin didn't get into college and get to work for Nasa!

Interestingly, around the time that I finished the book I saw a listing for a documentary about Dr von Braun - apparently he was accused of being responsible for thousands of deaths during the Nazi regime

aristocat · 19/05/2010 23:04

i have finished your book whinegums or should i say bugger and i loved it

will post my thoughts soon

aristocat · 26/05/2010 19:02

sorry i didnt post before but i loved your book

it was an excellent choice, a simple story told very well. the only negative i have is that often it was too scientific (but i know that was an essential part of the story). i havent seen the film and fear that it might spoil it for me.
i also didnt 'get' the coal dust metaphor - just like pooter.

the fact that the title was an anagram of its previous title is ingenious.

i agree that it is a shame that Quentin missed out on NASA because he was so influential.

the author shows that dreams really do come true

Dysgu · 04/06/2010 00:01

I have now got this book - and have enjoyed the opening few chapters. To be honest, the book has been sitting on the coffee table for a couple of days as, having only read the blurb, I didn't think it was something I would get into. DP picked it up - he is more of a film buff than books and this is the second book I have received that he has talked me into reading as he enjoyed the film. It struck me that it seemed more his kind of thing but, TBH, I have quite got into it when I took it to the beach with me today. The writing style is very easy to read and the fact that it is based on his own life made me more interested than has it simply been fiction.

I haven't read the previous posts on this thread but will be back when I have finished the book to see what everyone else thought.

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