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Factor V Leiden- anyone?

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samoy · 18/02/2010 14:05

Hi i was told on tuesday that i have this. Im pleased that i have something to explain my 4 miscarriages at 12+ weeks but am realy looking for some positive stories from anyone who has had this diagnosed and gone on to have a baby with aspirin and heparin..

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TattyCatty · 18/02/2010 14:11

I'm sorry to hear about your miscarriages. I have Factor V Leiden, but fortunately have never suffered a miscarriage. I had my diagnosis prior to TTC (had to have assisted conception) and so took low dose aspirin as soon as I started trying to get pregnant, and then throughout my pregnancy until around 32 weeks. I also had Clexane (heparin) injections for the first 10 days of my pregnancy but was told to discontinue them as they thought that the embryo was not viable. My non viable embryo turns 4 next week

EightiesChick · 18/02/2010 14:28

Hi Samoy,
I was diagnosed over ten years ago with Factor V Leiden and have had two PEs and a DVT since then. In spite of this, I have a beautiful DS (1) now and in fact had a pretty good pregnancy.

Because I've had several clots, I am on lifelong Warfarin, which you can't use during pregnancy. I was advised by my haematologist to move off Warfarin and onto Fragmin, an injectible anticoagulant, when I started TTC rather than when I got pregnant. Not all doctors would take this ultra-cautious approach, but she did. I had also been advised by others that I would just need to contact them when I tested positive to change over. That did mean over a year of injecting myself twice daily, but that sounds much worse than it actually is (they are very easy injections to do and small ones too), and is well worth it IMO to get to the goal of a baby born safely.

I would get some advice from a haematologist about going immediately onto one of the heparin injections (Fragmin, Clexane etc) to protect you and the baby in future pregnancies. But take heart, it is entirely possible to get through pregnancy with FVL. Have you been to this site? It has lots of positive info that will help you.

Feel free to ask any questions you want and I'll try and help.

samoy · 18/02/2010 18:34

Thank you for your replies. Tattycatty your non-viable embryo is amazing on so many levels. I already have a child who is also 4.I was obviously unaware i had factor V throughout my pregnancy and it was really a text book pregnancy- i feel so incredibly lucky to have him now.
Eightieschick you really have been through it. I hope i dont sound stupid-this is still all new to me, can some people have a more severe condition do you know? Ive been told ill need to inject heparin pretty much as soon as i get pregnant throughout the pregnancy and for a while after. Im not too worried about that, ill do whatever it takes. Thank you for the link, Ill have a look at it.Congratulations on DS.

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LedodgyChristmasjumper · 18/02/2010 18:42

I had this and only found out when i was pregnant with ds1. I had had dd by then and 1 m/c afterwards. When I got pregnant with ds1 they tested my blood as I told them that my mum had had a blood clot when pregnant with me I had told them this when I was pregnant with dd as well but they did nothing. Anyway with ds1 and ds2 I took low dose aspirin throughout the pregnancies and I was fine and so are they. I didn't have Heparin but did see a consultant and had more blood tests at around the 20-26 week mark iirc. Oh and I was given those stockings to wear after the births even with my home birth too.

kissmummy · 18/02/2010 20:29

hi samoy i am really pleased for you! i was hoping I might have Factor V leiden - at least that would be an explanation and it is treatable! i know a lady who had five miscarriages until they diagnosed Factor V Leiden and she now has four healthy children. i think this diagnosis is good news for you - at least you now know what you are up against.

EightiesChick · 18/02/2010 21:59

Hi Samoy,
Yes, there are different levels of severity of FVL. You can have heterozygous FVL (affecting one gene) or homozygous (affecting two genes; effectively a double dose). It?s much rarer to be homozygous but if you are, the chances of having a clot are much higher. I should point out, though, that I?m only heterozygous myself but other medical conditions have (my doctor thinks) also had a hand in my clotting history. So there can be quite a few factors to consider.

What I will say, though, is that I have not so far had a clot occur while I have been properly anticoagulated (on the appropriate blood-thinning meds at the right dose). So if you get that sorted out, you have a very good chance of being fine through a pregnancy. My doctors were taking an ultra-cautious approach for the baby?s sake but also for mine, since I had shown I could clot very easily. I?m glad to hear that yours have discussed you going straight onto heparin when pregnant, as given the number of miscarriages you?ve had, taking that approach early is more than justified.

A relative of mine had 7 miscarriages ? I begged her to go and get tested for FVL (on that side of the family, so very likely to be the cause of the mcs) but she didn?t, out of fear I think at being told she was ?defective? She has now had her family by adoption so all is well, but it pains me to think that she could have avoided the earlier heartache. Carrying a baby to term is perfectly possible with FVL as long as you get the right treatment. It is definitely a positive thing to find this out as then you do know what you?re up against and can take action.

FVL was only discovered in, I think, 1993, so it?s a pretty new condition by most standards and many doctors know little or nothing about it. I?ve lost count of the times I?ve explained it to non-specialist doctors at unrelated medical appointments. Once I was delayed for 40 minutes before going into an appointment, and when I went in, the doctor had left a webpage about FVL open on his screen ? I assume he had spent time googling it before calling me in! If only he?d asked me? So what I would strongly advise you to do is read up a bit yourself (the site I linked to earlier is great for this) and use that knowledge where you need to.

The major problem you can encounter is that there is no definitive medical guidance on how exactly to treat pregnant FVL women. As a result some doctors recommend heparin all the way through, some say mix aspirin then heparin, some say just aspirin, some do nothing till you?ve had X number of miscarriages etc, and there is no ?standard? route you can fall back on. My doctors chose the strongest response because of my history, and that has proved right for me, but other women may get treated differently and that may work out OK for them or they may need to argue for a different course of action.

I was lucky too in that my local maternity hospital ran a joint haematology and ante-natal clinic, specifically for women with thrombosis histories, so I was seen at that throughout my pregnancy. It might be worth asking around to see if you could be referred to a similar clinic once you are pregnant.

One thing to consider with Fragmin is that it affects bone density, so given that pregnancy will also affect this, you?d be wise to take calcium supplements to counter this while you are injecting.

You can be taught to do the injections yourself easily. I got used to them quickly and I was ultra-squeamish about needles when younger.

Finally, congratulations to tattycatty, ledodgyChristmasjumper and you too samoy for haviing babies even with FVL. It's always heartening to me to read about more women doing this. I have not yet made a final decision about having a second child, but having FVL would certainly not put me off, having gone through it once.

LedodgyChristmasjumper · 18/02/2010 22:07

Eightieschick I didn't really have much explained to me at all when pregnant they just said my bloody was sticky and to take asprin. I only know I had the FVL as it was in my notes it also said wild type after it. Do you know what this means and also can it effect me when i'm not pregnant should I be doing something?

EightiesChick · 18/02/2010 22:57

Hi ledodgy,

I don't honestly know what 'wild type' means - haven't come across it before. A bit of googling suggests it effectively means 'normal' (i.e not FVL!) but also suggests it may be a particular kind of mutation - that's what FVL is, a genetic mutation. FVL is the most common kind of clotting disorder, but there are quite a few other kinds, so perhaps you have one of those instead of/as well as FVL? Probably something to ask about at a future appointment.

If you haven't had a blood clot so far (aside of your miscarriage) then there is a standard medical approach and that would be not to put you on any medication - other than low-dose aspirin as optional. There is a more standardised approach to treatment in women who aren't pregnant, which is - if you have a clot, you are prescribed Warfarin for 6 months. If you go on to have another clot, you will go back onto Warfarin, quite probably for life (this is what's happened with me). But many people with FVL go through life never having a clot, or perhaps even knowing that they have it, so there's a good chance that you will be in this position and will never need any stronger medication.

What I would advise, based on what I have been told by my trusted haematologist, is that people in your position are best off taking 'normal' precautions against blood clots, stopping short of taking a full-on anticoagulant. (Aspirin gives you some protection but Warfarin does that more fully.) So that would include:

  • keeping well hydrated
  • not being immobile for long periods, especially when travelling
  • wearing flight stockings when flying plus paying extra attention to the above
  • trying to avoid being overweight, and eating a healthy diet
-taking regular exercise

Have a read of the site I linked to in my first post on the thread - it's got very good general info.

Are you planning any more kids? If so you might want to ask whether you should take anything stronger during pregnancy - but having said that, you've been fine in your previous pregnancies so that's a good sign.

Julezboo · 18/02/2010 23:12

Hi Samoy.

I was found to have FVL after 4 mc's in a row. I have now had 7.

I do have two DS's my first was born 10 weeks early and I suffered a stroke (i did know I had FVL then though!)

My DS2 was pretty much a text book pregnancy. I had aspirin and heparin (fragmin) daily from the moment i got my positive and until 6 weeks after he was born

I have had two mc's since DS2 but imo thats because I couldnt get the HCP's to give me fragmin sooner than 6 weeks. I will be fighting next time!

Julezboo · 18/02/2010 23:16

Sorry I didnt know I had FVL when I was preg with DS1!! Dont want to scare you

LedodgyChristmasjumper · 19/02/2010 13:48

Thanks Eightieschick that's good to know.

Well i'll keep doing the things i'm doing then just in case. I have lost weight only got about a stone to go now. I stopped smoking 3 weeks ago and am never smoking again and I eat healthily and exercise. I do need to up my water intake though it's been replaced a bit too much recently with tea and coffee which I think is due to the stopping smoking. Oh and i'm not having anymore babies. Three is quite enough!

Wishing everyone on this thread lots of love and luck with the right management you should have happy and healthy pregnancies.

EightiesChick · 19/02/2010 19:39

Ledodogy Good work on the weight loss and especially, well done on stopping smoking. It is a big extra risk factor if you are prone to clotting, so you are doing yourself a big favour by stopping and vowing not to start again. When I had the blood clot in my lung (a pulmonary embolism or PE which, not to sound too scary, can quite easily be fatal) I was on a ward with 7 other women who also had serious blood clots. I was a non-smoker but had FVL; all the other 6 were smokers. Anecdotal evidence maybe, but if I'd been a smoker at that point I would certainly have given up.

Yes, positive thoughts to everyone on the thread for safe pregnancies and arrival of healthy happy babies in the future.

EightiesChick · 19/02/2010 19:42

Julezboo P.S. Definitely argue your case for Fragmin right away next time. Get a good haematologist on your side. Good luck!

AlliT34 · 07/07/2010 21:13

So nice to hear some positive stories!! I have FVL and Protein C Deficiency. I was diagnosed at 15 and am now 34. I had 1 clot at 25 prior to TTC, managed that one with warfarin. Fell pregnant last year and clotted at 5 weeks, doctors put me straight on to fragmin bit sadly lost the baby to ancephaly, Neural Tube Defect - anyone know if this is connected?? I have recently lost my 2nd pregnancy to miscarriage but this time was on Fragmin from 4 weeks. Next Time will be better luck for us, interesting to see that some of you are taking Fragmin whilst TTC?? I really need some hope that and these stories have done that - Thank you.

Stangirl · 12/07/2010 15:30

I discovered I have FVL after one miscarriage. I was tested because my only chance to conceive is IVF with egg donation and my GP kindly signed me up for a whole range of tests to maximise my chances. I was then put onto Clexane from the day I started taking hormones for my next set of IVF. I conceived and took it throughout my pregnancy - combining with aspirin in the latter stages. My DD is now 5months and I shall shortly be going back onto Clexane as I'll be TTC again.

RuthyandBrendan · 21/07/2010 22:04

Hi there, I managed to avoid this even though my sister and Mum both have the Factor 5. To give you encouragement, my sister has 3 gorgeous children, even though she's had a number of complications with (v.serious) DVT's, and sadly had both a miscarriage and eptopic pregnancy in between. Although I escaped the Factor 5, it took me 3 years to conceive, then I had a miscarriage a year before getting pregnant with my son, who is a now 3months ...and turns out I have polycystic ovaries!
To give you encouragement, both my sister and I were born against the odds, and have now got 4 children between us, all with the same complications you've stated - SO, there is hope!! I took the 'baby asprin' - ie. a 75mg dose, once a day, throughout my second pregnancy - I don't know if it's what made the difference but I'll definitely do it again. Not being funny, but it may have even had a bit of a placebo effect in that it took some of the stress out and injected a bit of hope - plus, don't let anyone worry you about it - at 75mg it's such a small dose you'll never get addicted to it, or suffer liver damage!!

To be honest after the first couple of years, when we realised it was all going to be a bit difficult, I thought about it and came to the conclusion that, whatever happened, we had to be ok with it just being the two of us if we couldn't have a baby - I think that stress plays a major part in your chances of conception, so investing time in your relationship with your husband / partner will undoubtedly aleviate that pressure now AND build something great for your kids when they do come along (I have hope for you!!). I know it sounds cheesy, but that relationship & friendship is the most important thing.

Kitesurfgirl · 06/01/2012 22:52

I was diagnosed with FVL in 1993, as part of the initial medical trials when they first discovered it (due to background of mother and grandmother having fatal/life threatening clots). I have always been told it's vital to inform GP/Midwife etc asap when pg. I did this immediately when I found out i was pg last year. The drs were useless, did not rush me to see a specialist and I lost the baby (mmc) at 17weeks. i was devastated.

I complained and insisted on being referred to a blood specialist after my mmc - and was treated as though I was some kind of insane woman! The hosp notes even said i had had a 'standard miscarriage' (!) and said they thought i was making a fuss over nothing. I am this close to making an official complaint.

I am glad I made a fuss. I have now been seen by an excellent haematologist and am being referred to a specialist women's hospital whilst we ttc again.

ANYONE who finds out they have this must get advice and must insist on being seen by someone who knows what they are talking about! My haematologist has relooked at the postmortem results and has now confirmed what I KNEW all along - my baby would still be alive (indeed born) by now if I had been receiving treatment from Day 1 of being pg. It's been hard to hear that we could have saved this baby (esp cos I knew i have FVL, it's just the drs didn't listen to me) but I'm just relieved now that I will be treated properly IF we are lucky to get pg again (i'm 37, this was my first pg)

Good luck to everyone trying, and my thoughts to anyone else who has suffered a mc due to this, most upsetting time of my life. x

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