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Third very early pregnancy loss - anyone else?

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AndiKat · 22/01/2010 17:26

I am on tenterhooks waiting to see if the bleeding I had last night is going to become an early miscarriage (I am only about two weeks pregnant). This would be my third pregnancy loss at a really early stage, and I am finding it so upsetting and also very hard to find information about pregnancy loss at this stage. My doctor is quite dismissive. I'd be so grateful to hear from anyone out there who has experienced something that sounds like my story below...

I'll be 36 in March. We started trying for a baby in August 09. Very soon (a couple of days after I think I'd have conceived) after our first attempt, I started feeling symptoms (nausea mainly that first time, but also a funny smell in my nose) that made me hopeful that we might have got lucky and become pregnant first time. I really 'felt' pregnant, but didn't want to get my hopes up as it was so early and I had read that the first few weeks were a risky time. After about four days, I started to bleed. This was well before my period was due, and I was pretty upset. My doctor advised that I hadn't done anything wrong, that it was very common for a pregnancy to fail at that early stage and that my husband and I should just again the next month. She also suggested that it was possible I hadn't been pregnant, but was unable to account for the symptom I felt.

We took the doctor's advice, tried again the following month and again seemed to get pregnant straight away. This time, the symptoms were increased ? my boobs were incredibly painful and seemed to get huge in just a few days. I thought I'd have to buy new bras. I felt quite nauseous, and about a week after I think we'd have conceived I started needing to go to the loo a lot more often. Because of what had happened the first time, I was really nervous and worried about any niggling little pains. I tried to convince myself not to worry, as I thought the same thing couldn't happen again, and once I got nearer to when my period was due, I allowed myself to get hopeful. But about two days before I had planned to take a home pregnancy test, I started bleeding. This time it was quite painful, and I was again very upset and sad, feeling the loss of the potential baby, and also worrying that maybe there was something wrong with me if I could conceive so easily but it wasn't lasting. I did a pregnancy test, but it was negative.

A friend of mine who is a retired GP kindly agreed to do an internal exam (just in case there was any hope that the bleeding might not be a full-scale miscarriage). She said that my uterus was definitely enlarged, as it would be if I was pregnant, and at that time my cervix seemed to be closed but sadly later that day there was a lot more blood and I had to accept that if I had been pregnant, I had lost the baby. I did another pregnancy test a couple of days later, just being hopeful, but again it was negative.

I wasn't able to get an appointment to see my doctor for ages, so had to settle for a telephone appointment. Again, the doctor tried to tell me that I might not have been pregnant, and even I had been, there was nothing that could be done at so early a stage. She told me that 'three is the magic number' when it comes to miscarriages, and that she couldn't refer me to a consultant, especially as I hadn't had a positive pregnancy test. She advised me to wait until after Christmas to try again, because then my baby wouldn't be born at a bad time for the school year (which was the last thing I cared about!).

I run my own business, a shop, and knew that the months before Christmas would be busy and stressful. I couldn't face trying again for a baby during that time, as the worry combined with work stress would have been too much. So earlier this month, scared but hopeful, we tried again. A few days after possible conception, I started feeling the symptoms. Not as strongly this time, but I thought that might a good thing. I didn't tell my husband as I though there was no point in us both worrying. I thought I'd wait until I had a positive pregnancy test. 9 days in, (Tuesday just gone) I woke up to find a tiny bit of brown blood and panicked. I got a phone appointment with a doctor (a different doctor) who said that it could just be spotting due to the embryo implanting in the womb. He also said I could be imagining the symptoms, but when I told him that I'd been keeping a diary of how I was feeling since last September, and that I knew that aching boobs, nausea etc, were not normal at this of the month, he started to take me more seriously. But he said I would have to be trying unsuccessfully every month for a year before he would refer me for any tests (because he said early pregnancy loss was so common). He advised me just to wait it out this time and see what happened.

There was no more blood that day, or the next day, and I was starting to think maybe things were OK when last night there was some more blood. There still hasn't been loads of blood, but my period is due around now, and I'm just so worried. I still feel a little bit sick, and by boobs are a bit achy, but I think not as much as they were before. Am now waiting to see whether I get a full bleed. I did a pregnancy test this morning, and it was negative.

Does anyone else have experience of feeling pregnancy symptoms so early and then losing the pregnancy? I feel so sad for anyone who has lost a baby, no matter how early. Thanks so much.

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hairyclaireyfairy · 23/01/2010 11:45

Sorry I have no experience of early mc but did'nt want to leave your post unanswered.
Very un-mumsnet hugs for you, let us know how you get on. Good luck x

randomimposter · 23/01/2010 13:16

andikat so sorry for your losses; there's lots of support and advice on this thread for all of us who have miscarried.

try here

LauraJHH · 25/01/2010 11:10

Dear Andikat,

It seems I am reading my own story. I am very sorry, I know it is a very stressful and painful time.

I had 2 miscarriages, the first one, 1 week after my period was due. The second one, 2 days before my period was due. I had all the symptoms, back pain was the most obvious one.

After the second miscarriage, the GP said to wait 2 months to try again so my body hormones could get back to normal and have some time to recover. I have done a lot of research (I am a chemist working in clinical research, so this is kind of what I do!) and what I have found is that early miscarriage could be caused by thyroid problems or lutheal phase defect. I don't have any, I got a blood test done and all was normal. I am 34, getting close to 35, so we are about the same age. I have a baby boy, he is almost 2 years old and my pregnancy with him was fantastic and never had any problems. I eat healthy, no over weight, don't smoke or drink, so there is nothing obviously wrong. I got PCOs, but with chinese medicine and Agnus Castus I manage to ovulate (now my concern is if Agnus castus could cause miscarriages?, I have been searching and apparently not, but some mums say that could cause contractions, so I am avoiding it for the second half of the cycle. I got pregnant of my first son using it though and with chinese therapy too). A friend of mine had 3 miscarriages and she's got 4 perfectly healthy children. Honestly, I feel like is just bad luck but it is so scary to try again.

Please let me know if everything went fine with you this time. I would love to know. If it didn't, after 3 miscarriages you would be referred to a fertility clinic for studies, sad but is when you actually get some help.

We are trying again this month, I would try not to worry to much = S

Please contact me any time if you want to chat.

Lots of love and best wishes.
Laura.

AndiKat · 25/01/2010 19:32

Hi - first of all just wanted to say many thanks to HairyClaireyFairy and Jollster for your caring messages - which meant a lot to me. It was great to know that someone cared and they gave me some strength when I was feeling very scared and lonely.

Laura - thank you very much for replying to my thread. I'm very sorry for your losses. Although it doesn't take away the distress that either of us have suffered, it is a great relief to me to know that someone else has experienced something similar. The reaction from doctors has made me feel that I was maybe imagining it all and so it is amazing to hear from you and know I am not alone.

I wish you all the best when you are trying again this month. I know just what its like and can appreciate how scary it is. But it's great that you've had tests and know that nothing obvious is wrong and I feel very positive for you and hope to hear good news from you soon.

I am sorry that I don't have a positive outcome to report this time. After the initial bleeding on Thursday night, everything seemed okay for a couple of days, and I started thinking that maybe it had just been some more spotting, but then in the early hours of Sunday morning, I woke up with quite a bit of pain. I went to the loo and there was a fair bit of red blood. I went back to bed, cried a lot and let out some of the pain and sadness. My husband woke up and gave me a big hug. Later that day there was a lot more bleeding and it was very painful. I have accepted that it must be another miscarriage, but its so strange how the pregnancy symptoms keep going (I guess the hormones stay in your bloodstream for a while) ? finally, yesterday, my breasts seemed to have caught up (too late) with the idea of being pregnant and they looked different.

After reading your message, I have decided that I'm going to go back to my GP (the first one I saw) and ask about being referred for some tests. I have been scared to do that, as after the first and second miscarriages, the doctor seemed quite dismissive and even implied that I might not have been pregnant. I think it must be unusual for people to notice that they are pregnant so early on, but knowing that you have felt this too has give me some encouragement. So I think I'll try talking to my GP again ? and maybe ask my husband to come with me to see her.

You mentioned that you'd had some blood tests done. Did your doctor refer you for these? Were they on the NHS or did you have to pay for them privately?

My husband and I have decided that we will give ourselves a month off to recover, and will try again in March. I am just going to have to try very hard not to get too excited (or too scared) if I do start to feel pregnancy symptoms.

So, I will be thinking about you Laura and wish you all the best. I hope you can enjoy your next pregnancy and don't feel scared. I am sure we will both have happy healthy babies soon.

Again, thanks so much for getting in touch. I am not sure whether I can contact you direct through Mumsnet (am a first-time Mumsnet user) but if I don't hear from you again via this thread I will explore how to contact you, and you are welcome to keep in touch with me too.

Lots of love, thanks and very best wishes.

Andrea

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LauraJHH · 29/01/2010 13:58

Dear Andrea,

I am sorry to hear the news, I know how hard it is. I believe is better for your body and spirit to give it sometime to recover, I feel more prepared now after waiting a couple of months than before. Still scared, but trying to keep positive thinking!.

I was tested for thyroid function, just 1 blood sample. Also, I know they can check for your level of hormones, etc. Now after 3 miscarriages, you should go to your GP and they must refer you for more analysis. It is sad but also good news that you will be checked.

I highly recommend acupuncture and agnus castus, it has been fantastic for me (at least with the pregnancy with my son), and before acupuncture I couldn't even get pregnant (PCOs). It takes about 3 months to start working, maybe the time to wait to try again?, if it doesn't help, doesn't harm neither, and I am absolutely convinced it does help.

Trying in about 10 days, I am so scared!, I will report back, lol.

Lots of love,
Laura.

Dozer · 29/01/2010 14:49

Hi, sorry that you have been through this.

I have had four consecutive early losses (though I had "BFPs" for all) since my daughter was born two years ago.

A significant proportion of women with recurrent miscarriage have only early losses.

A good book I'd recommend is Miscarriage: the Facts by Prof Lesley Regan. It discusses the potential reasons and the various tests.

There is good information on tests for recurrent miscarriage on the website of the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (guidance section).

I had some tests done on the NHS, but then went private to St Mary's in London (one of the biggest miscarriage teams) as there were so many delays with my local hospital, got messed around, wouldn't do certain tests etc. The private tests cost around £1700 in total, though I spent less, about £1200 - some tests are more pricey than others (the most expensive are the "karyotyping" genetic ones, which I had on the NHS).

In my case they found a couple of potential issues and am being treated with progesterone and low-dose heparin in my current pregnancy (am 7 weeks, fingers crossed).

AndiKat · 08/02/2010 11:16

Dear Laura and Dozer

Thank you so much for your messages. Sorry I am just replying now. My DH and I are in the process of closing our business (a shop) and have been working v.long hours. We close in just under 3 weeks and am hoping that the end of the stress will also be good for helping with pregnancies in the future.

Wanted to say big thanks to you both.

Laura - will be thinking about you as you try again and look forward to hearing from you. Thanks very much for letting me know what tests you have had and for giving me the courage to go back to my doctor (appointment this thursday).

Dozer - I am very sorry for your earlier losses and am so glad that you have got some tests done and have more knowledge to work from. I will be keeping my fingers crossed for you, and hope that everything goes well for this pregnancy. Thanks very much for sharing your experience and knowledge with me - I will track down the websites and books you suggested.

I hope to hear from you both again. Will definitely be thinking about you.

With lots of love, and very positive thoughts and wishes, Andrea xx

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