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how do you cope with unwittingly insensitive comments about your loss?

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HappyBump · 27/03/2009 13:34

I've just recently had a miscarriage and a few well meaning friends have made comments that make me cringe ... I want to tell them to "shut up" but I just look at them and say nothing. I know this is a period of my life when I am hyper sensitive but sometimes... these are a few of the comments I received.

  1. You know it's better this way said one friend ... just think you could have ended up like my brother who has a child who has cerebal plasy and your life would be so hard ...
(I was gobsmacked at that one!)
  1. You know you really should take it very easy if you get pregnant again (implying I was running around like a crazy person which I wasn't at all and it was all my fault that I lost the baby because of over exertion) ...
  1. At least you have a child ...

Anyway, sorry I just wanted to vent. I don't mean to upset anyone else by these comments.

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neolara · 27/03/2009 13:47

I'm sorry for the loss of your baby. It's crap when people say the wrong thing, and lots of people do.

I think the thing to try to remember is that generally people don't mean to say the wrong thing. They are usually trying to be helpful and supportive, but unless they have been in your position they probably don't know what is the right thing to say. Of course, remembering this in the face of insensitive comments is much easier said than done.

I recently had my fourth mc. To be honest, I was so sad that I ended up furious whenever I mentioned the mc to anyone because everyone seemed to say things that upset me. A few months on, I can see that to be honest, virtually anything that anyone said would have been the "wrong thing". I was angry with what had happened and it was easy to transfer this anger to people who said the wrong thing. My way of dealing with this was to hardly tell anyone what happened but I wouldn't recommend going down this route. Maybe just find a couple of people to talk to who you can rely on for being tactful at this difficult time.

ScorpiowithabigS · 27/03/2009 13:48

Sorry for the loss of your baby.

I think they just never know what to say, thats all, some people dont realise a sorry is enough.

Bakersman · 27/03/2009 13:58

So sorry for you loss. Unfortunately nobody ever seems to say the right thing, even though they try so hard.
Maybe ask people to just listen and not try to pacify you before entering any conversation about the mc?
Big hugs anyway

kissmummy · 27/03/2009 14:09

i know how you feel! the comment that really irritates me is "it's very common."
Yes, technically, it is very common to have a miscarriage. but why should that make it any better? it may be common on a population wide basis, it's not common for me(though it's getting quite common now! )
I've had three in a row, despite a successful pregnancy two years ago.
And actually, three miscarriages in a row is pretty unusual, statistically, especially not if you've already had a child and you're 34 not 44. So this comment makes me want to spit back: "actually, it's quite rare, and i feel like i've been incredibly unlucky," but of course i smile sweetly because i know they're only trying to be nice...
i think the only thing i really like hearing is: "i know you'll get there" or "I'm really really optimistic for you" or words to that effect.

DrNortherner · 27/03/2009 14:14

"I know just how you feel - I aborted 2" is the corker my MIL came out with.....

People just do not know what to say. I think a M/C is such a private grief, people often say the wrong thing, hoping to make you feel better. TRuth is we no it's common, we know we can try again, but we wanted the one w lost.

Life is shit sometimes.

Hope you feel stronger soon. You will in time. xx

HappyBump · 27/03/2009 19:03

Thanks ladies ... It is a frustrating time having to go through meeting friends and family and dealing with their grief for our loss too. I'm quite a private person and I find sharing this sort of thing quite difficult with anyone other than DH really. I agree it is good to talk, but it is hard to find people who really share your experiences which is why MN is great.

Dr Northerner Wow what can you say to that?... how awful .. what a comment.

Kissmummy - yes! the "it's very common you know" comment hurts too and it really doesn't make it any better.

Like you all have said, people are clumsy in an effort to be well-meaning they just say the wrong thing.

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dangermousse · 27/03/2009 19:08

I had to tell my boss early about being pg so that I could pull out of a long haul work trip which I didn't feel up to going on. After I had my mc, my boss was talking to another colleague and I about the agenda for the trip - he turned to me and said that there was no reason why I couldn't go any more..............

I don't think he meant to be unkind, just thinking practically

racmac · 27/03/2009 19:22

People are very insensitive i agree - the Doctor in Hospital told me i should be grateful i had one child there were other people in this room that didnt even have 1

My SIL asked me if i was still smoking cos that causes mc - Id given up 3 years previously!

Im very sorry for your loss - i still remember the pain and it was 4 1/2 years ago

bessielabouche · 27/03/2009 19:24

poor happy bump, i know how you feel. i have msc (no 2) at 17 weeks. people can say the worst things. i have just learnt to avoid the people i know can be unthinking (ie. my mother in law) and just listen to those who are close to me. i just miss being pregnant so much and noone can give me back what i want most, but i am trying to be positive about it. it really is shite life sometimes. i wish you all best

HecatesTwopenceworth · 27/03/2009 19:30

I am really sorry for your loss. Some people can be gobsmackingly insensitive and I'm sorry they've hurt you.

wasabipeanut · 27/03/2009 19:31

I'm so sorry to hear of your loss, and I agree that people can be insensitive. I dealt with some of the corkers that came my way by remembering that, by and large, people do mean well and are trying to help. Even the ones that tell you it was probably for the best.

Difficult at times I know but you won't make yourself feel better by ripping someones head off - tempting as that option may well appear.

happyjules · 27/03/2009 20:10

Happy bump, I'm really sorry for your loss.
I'd like to point you in the direction of a message posted by Gracie Girl on Emmsy's angels part three, page 41 about things not to say to someone who has had a mc.
Like the others have said, people can be so insensitive even when they mean well, but manage to sprout a load of crap basically when the best thing they could say is I'm sorry. It's simple really. loads of hugs

whomovedmychocolate · 27/03/2009 20:16

Oh people are such shitheads sometimes aren't they . I had 'oh well it was very early', 'you must be used to it by now' (after a subsequent loss).

What people who've never been through it don't get is that your baby has died. Even if he or she never got one day on the outside, for as long as they were inside you they were a living being and if they can brush off the death of one of their own children so easily, they really are heartless

I find robustly expressing anger does help them understand what gits they are being though.

SalBySea · 27/03/2009 20:21

On the flip side, not mentioning it is wrong too. As someone who has never had a MC I think its prob impossible for me to say something that's totally "right" but I feel that I should say something to acknowledge their loss even if it risks putting my foot in it. A friend who's been through it recently said that people avoiding talking about it and walking on eggshells was the worst thing so???

TBH even if I HAD been through it that doesnt mean I woudnt say the wrong thing to others. After I lost a family member, a friend lost one of their family members and I hadnt a clue what to say to them cause everyone's loss/grief is different

Gentle · 27/03/2009 20:45

People do say stupid things and even if they mean well, you are entitled to protect yourself. If someone starts banging on, you can just smile and say "Thank you." If necessary, I sometimes said "It's interesting to hear how different it must seem to someone who hasn't experienced it." I know that's passive aggressive, but it was a way of protecting myself without resorting to the hornet's nest of "Shut. Your. Stupid. Face!"

Some people will not let it rest though. Insensitive arseholes can simply be just that and sometimes it is appropriate to tell them to get knotted for your own protection.

The whole subject of pregnancy, miscarriage, babies and motherhood is one that people bring their own feelings to, often in a surprisingly forthright way.

I'd just like to add my personal stupidest things I've heard...

Unhelpful caring person: "You can have amother one."
Me: "Thanks, but we don't plan to." (Actually we did try again, but not until 3 years later and then it was a surprise even to us!)
UCP: "Oh you'll change your mind!"

UCP: "Here, have my tankini - my tummy won't fit into it soon..." (This from a pregnant member of family who after a week of similar crap felt the very sharp end of my tongue!)

UCP: "My heart bleeds for you." (This was in a card from my batty auntie. It actually gave me a much-needed belly laugh, followed by a big cry!)

whomovedmychocolate · 27/03/2009 21:01

SalbySea - you are right, it is important to mention it and just saying 'I don't know what to say, how are you feeling' is a lot better than ignoring the situation.

I actually found it incredibly hard when a friend miscarried after I had and didn't seem terribly upset - each person is different. All you can do is ask if they are okay I think.

kissmummy · 27/03/2009 21:39

i think 'how are you feeling?' is perfect - it's an opportunity for you to talk about it if you feel like, and not if you don't..
as for 'oh well it was very early' i agree that's a crap comment. as if it doesn't "count" because it's early? [hmmm]
what people who haven't been through it don't understand is that every day leading up to a miscarriage counts, and a life or potential life has still gone.

varicoseveined · 27/03/2009 23:41

I'd heard "don't be sad" from a family member... why on earth wouldn't I be sad?!

2ndDestiny · 28/03/2009 02:29

Just wanted to add one GP's 'helpful advice' to me after my mmc which was, 'think of it as for the best, it's nature's way of getting rid of something that was abnormal' !! Yeah well that 'something abnormal' was my loved and longed for baby. I couldn't believe a medical professional could be so insensitive but obviously I'm living in cloud cuckoo land. It came as a shock to me because luckily most of the close family and friends I've told have been very sensitive. Think I may drop off one of those Miscarriage Association leaflets, on what not to say to couples who have suffered mc, at the surgery

Neeko · 28/03/2009 09:25

The 'nature's way' thing is what was said to me by the woman doing my scan! She totally meant it in a supportive way but it had been less than two minutes since I'd found out my baby had died and I could have punched her!
I found the stuff happyjules mentioned when I was trawling these pages in my darkest moments and found it really useful.
I think it's also important not to be afraid to cry in front of people or explain why they've upset you if you can. Maybe that will stop them being so insensitive to the next person they know who has to endure this.

GracieGirl · 28/03/2009 20:02

Sorry for your loss.

My particular favourites......

"At least you know you can get pregnant".

"If it had happened at 6 months that would be much worse". (Yes I don't doubt that but its not a bloody competition!!!!!)

"Its God's way" (Yes and so are earthquakes, famines and cot deaths - it doesn't make me feel any better!)

Its very common" (Oh well that's alright then!! Best cheer myself up and forget about it!)

GracieGirl · 28/03/2009 20:06

HappyJules thanks for the mention.

Here's the letter you were talking about. Everyone is welcome on Emmsys Angels part 4.

A letter to coworkers / family / friends
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When women experience the loss of a child, one of the first things they discover they have in common is a list of things they wish no one had ever said to them. The lists tend to be remarkably similar. The comments are rarely malicious, just misguided attempts to soothe. This list was compiled as a way of helping other people understand pregnancy loss. While generated by mothers for mothers, it may also apply similarly to the fathers who have endured this loss.

To help a woman who has lost a baby, the best rule of thumb is a matter of manners. Don't offer your personal opinion of her life, her choices, and her prospects for children. No woman is looking to poll her acquaintances for their opinions on why it happened or how she should cope.

The Don'ts
Don't say "it's God's will." Even if we are members of the same congregation, unless you are a priest and I am seeking your spiritual counselling, please don't presume to tell me what God wants for me. Besides, many terrible things are God's will, that doesn't make them less terrible.

Don't say "it was for the best, there was probably something wrong with your baby." The fact that something was wrong with the baby is what is making me so sad. My poor baby never had a chance. Please don't try to comfort me by pointing that out.

Don't say "you can always have another one." This baby was never disposable. If had been given the choice between loosing this child or stabbing my eye out with a fork, I would have said, "Where's the fork?" I would have died for this baby, just as you would die for your children.

Don't say "be grateful for the children you have." If your mother died in a terrible wreck and you grieved, would that make you less grateful to have your father?

Don't say "thank God you lost the baby before you really loved it." I loved my son or daughter. Whether I lost the baby after two weeks of pregnancy or just after birth, I loved him or her.

Don't say "isn't it time you got over this and moved on?" It's not something I enjoy, being grief-stricken. I wish it had never happened. But it did and it's a part of me forever. The grief will ease on its own timeline, not yours or mine.

Don't say "now you have an angel watching over you." I didn't want her to be my angel. I wanted her to bury me in my old age.

Don't say "I understand how you feel." Unless you've lost a child, you really don't understand how I feel. And even if you have lost a child, everyone experiences grief differently.

Don't tell me horror stories of your neighbour or cousin or mother who had it worse. The last thing I need to hear right now is that it is possible to have this happen six times, or that I could carry until two days before my due date and labour 20 hours for a dead baby. These stories frighten and horrify me and leave me up at night weeping in despair. Even if they have a happy ending, do not share these stories with me.

Don't pretend it didn't happen and don't change the subject when I bring it up. If I say, "before the baby died ?" or "when I was pregnant ?" don't get scared. If I'm talking about it, it means I want to. Let me. Pretending it didn't happen will only make me feel utterly alone.

Don't say "it's not your fault." It may not have been my fault, but it was my responsibility and I failed. The fact that I never stood a chance of succeeding only makes me feel worse. This tiny little being depended upon me to bring him safely into the world and I couldn't do it. I was supposed to care for him for a lifetime, but I couldn't even give him a childhood. I am so angry with my body you just can't imagine.

Don't say "well, you weren't too sure about this baby, anyway." I already feel so guilty about ever having complained about morning sickness, or a child I wasn't prepared for, or another mouth to feed that we couldn't afford. I already fear that this baby died because I didn't take the vitamins, or drank too much coffee, or had alcohol in the first few weeks when I didn't know I was pregnant. I hate myself for any minute that I had reservations about this baby. Being unsure of my pregnancy isn't the same as wanting my child to die, I never would have chosen for this to happen.

The Do's
Do say "I am so sorry." That's enough. You don't need to be eloquent. Say it and mean it and it will matter.

Do say "you're going to be wonderful parents some day," or "you're wonderful parents and that baby was lucky to have you." We both need to hear that.

Do say "I have lighted a candle for your baby," or "I have said a prayer for your baby." Do send flowers or a kind note, every one I receive makes me feel as though my baby was loved. Don't resent it if I don't respond. Don't call more than once and don't be angry if the machine is on and I don't return your call. If we're close friends and I am not responding to your attempts to help me, please don't resent that either. Help me by not needing anything from me for a while.

If you're my boss or my co-worker:
Do recognize that I have suffered a death in my family, not a medical condition.

Do recognise that in addition to the physical after effects I may experience, I'm going to be grieving for quite some time. Please treat me as you would any person who has endured the tragic death of a loved one. I need time and space.

Please don't bring your baby or toddler into the workplace. If your niece is pregnant, or your daughter just had a baby, please don't share that with me right now. It's not that I can't be happy for anyone else, it's that every smiling, cooing baby, every glowing new mother makes me ache so deep in my heart I can barely stand it. I may look okay to you, but there's a good chance that I'm still crying every day. It may be weeks before I can go a whole hour without thinking about it. You'll know when I'm ready. I'll be the one to say, "Did your daughter have her baby?" or, "How is that precious little boy of yours? I haven't seen him around the office in a while."

Above all, please remember that this is the worst thing that ever happened to me. The word "miscarriage" is small and easy. But my baby's death is gigantic and awful. It's going to take me a while to figure out how to live with it. Bear with me.

BonyM · 28/03/2009 20:53

Thank you GracieGirl, I have just emailed this to my well-meaning but insensitive mother who told me on the phone this afternoon not only that it happened to her sister at my age (how does that make it better for me?) but also that it was probably for the best. I couldn't speak to her any longer. Hopefully this letter will help her understand how I am feeling.

Neeko · 28/03/2009 21:22

I've found that since I had my MC everyone wants to tell me a story of someone they know who has had one. While I find strength i coming on here and speaking to you all I find the sheer number of stories from people in RL terrifying. It makes me wonder how small the chances are that in the future I'll hold a healthy baby in my arms. Does anyone else feel like this?

SesIsCountingdowntheweeks · 28/03/2009 21:38

Have just read through the thread and I can so relate to what everyone has said.

HappyBump -
I am really sorry for your loss. Take it easy and don't worry about venting.

GracieGirl - that letter puts it very well.

Neeko - it was whilst I was googling after my first mc that I found MN. It has been such a help to get me through the difficult times and a support in (trying to )move forwards. I know I would have been even more of a wreck without these boards.

I am pleased to say that after 2 mmcs last year, I am now 34 weeks pg and look forward to welcoming my baby in May. I hope that no one takes that as rubbing their noses in it but what I hope to get across is that despite the most negative and toughest of times, there is hope. I do find it hard when people talk about this as my first child. As far as I'm concerned, I'm grieving for my first child. Some of them don't know and many of them just wouldn't realise how insensitive I find that.