Oh god. Is the same thing happening again?

[weathervane123]

Hi everyone,

I had a mmc at 6+5 (probably happened at 5 weeks, so very early) the first week of April. I was tracking ovulation and got my first v faint positive at 14dpo, which felt late. I had cramps from 11-14 dpo that were indistinguishable from period pain, except I didn't bleed, they came and went at night, and they lasted four days, which I've never had. I think I implanted late and I've heard that increases the risk of mc. I had symptoms but lost them all quickly and the pregnancy never felt right.

We didn't wait for my period to arrive post mmc, and tried again as soon as I ovulated. I'm 13dpo today and yesterday I got almost impossible squinters on three tests with fmu. Woke up in the middle of the night with cramps that lasted about five hours. Had increased cm (sorry tmi) and once again was sure AF was here early. (Not sure when I'm due thanks to mc, but cycles have been 26-28 days in the past).

I'm so worried I'm headed down the exact same path as last time, and that I can expect a chemical or early miscarriage again. I don't have any symptoms other than the cm and cramps. Obviously hcg is still really low in my system.

Has anyone else experienced two mc's in a row and noticed similarities? Any other late implanters out there with positive stories?

I’m so bloated I’m quite shocked by how much. My first response tests arrived today and both lines are pretty clear but I am getting quite a bit of cramping, particularly at night time which worries me.

I must admit, I don’t enjoy the process at all and completely agree with you, it’s just a punchbag of emotions. I’m aiming to book in for 6/7 week early scan at the end of this month to at least give me a view on whether this is going to go anywhere... however, won’t bother booking until a day or 2 before I go. Last time I just had to cancel everything and let the midwife know I had miscarried when she called, so the longer I leave, the better I will feel.

I’m so sorry you still have no certainty. It’s frustrating that EPU have said no scan on Monday. The fact your hcg levels are rising is positive I guess, despite slowly and you have not yet had a bleed. I hope by seeing EPU and taking more bloods you can get a view on hopefully increasing levels.

EPU did say to me, the fact you did get pregnant, albeit not viable, it’s a positive thing and to focus on that. Easier said than done.

I got the cramping too at first quite badly, also in the evening, but it seems to have eased off now. The EPU nurse I spoke to said it could be down to progesterone levels increasing, or in my case because I felt it on my left side as well (the side I ovulated from) maybe a simple cyst had caused some of the pain.

If you're aiming to be scanned at the end of the month, you'll be right behind me. I will have all my fingers crossed for you! I remember cancelling my midwife's appt and they were surprised I'd actually called and very thankful. Still, it was a crappy thing to have to do. I don't blame you for holding off, at all. My appt. is on 9th June. In the calendar with a big question mark by it.

Sadly, they're not planning to do more bloods. I have no idea why and I was too depressed by the low number to remember to ask. I guess they're stretched and don't think it'll make a difference either way - either I miscarry in the next couple of weeks or I don't.

Right now I'm worried about miscarrying while I'm away, which will be rubbish. We're staying with family but it's my mum's b-day and I'm meeting my baby nephew for the first time. I'm not going to be in the best frame of mind for all of it if I start bleeding. They'll understand, of course, they're not monsters (lol) but it'll be crappy after not seeing them for the best part of a year!

I’m really sorry you’re going through this. I hope our journeys both work out in the next few weeks. I hope you can actually enjoy the time with your family, as hard as it may be try switch off from what’s going on and focus on there and now and take it day by day or even hour by hour. Hopefully June comes in quick for you and you’re able to have a better picture of next steps.

I think I’ll test next week and if it’s 3+ weeks I’ll feel better as I know it’s tracking right. The early scan at the end of this month (once booked) will then be a further step. I’m just focusing on my job just now and waiting waiting waiting.

Hey

Just checking in to say hope your doing ok. I’ve been getting terrible pains at night, they are so strong I need up calling EPU at 2am one night. No bleeding has followed and it’s helped by paracetamol but it’s very unsettling. I’m going to ask EPU if I can come in for a scan as will be 6 weeks this weekend. Just to check any possible ectopic or I haven’t already miscarried and need intervention.

Oh no! I'm so sorry - that's awful. Are they on one side or in the middle? At first I had pretty strong cramps at night and put it down to a bad period on its way. They've eased off now, but once in a while I get a twinge. Did you manage to speak to anyone when you called? I think it's a good sign you haven't experienced any bleeding and that they're controlled by paracetamol. It may just be the baby settling in/your uterus expanding.

Do you need a referral to your EPU? If you're not sure, definitely get an appointment with your GP. My EPU won't see anyone for a scan without one.

I'm okay. Bumbling along and a little numb at the moment. I've been busy at work, which has helped and I'm away from Friday.

I got a 2-3 weeks on the Clearblue 2 days ago, so at least I know my hcg has gone up from the paltry 74 I got last Friday. But apparently a number as low as 120 can trigger that, so I've got no idea if it's doubled like it should. Being on the progesterone is alright so far (a bit messy!), but I've got no idea if my meagre symptoms are due to the pregnancy progressing or the progesterone supplements. There's just no comfort or reassurance to be found anywhere really!

I called EPU (Frimley Park) and I have a scan booked this Saturday. I haven’t even notified my GP or the midwife yet. I think because I said the pain was very bad they have booked me in. So I suppose I’ll know soon good or bad. I Will do the relevant organising probably after this weekend if all ok.

No bleeding and the pain is just very central and again only at night, so I think you’re right it’s just the implantation and body expanding because of progesterone. I’m still going on Saturday without big hopes as I just don’t want to be massively disappointed.

That’s good that’ your test shows progression, I wish 6th June would hurry up for you so there is no doubt. Everything could be ok!
Work has been keeping me busy too, it does help make the weeks go by but I’m starting to get tired. Although strangely I get a burst of energy most days and take that time to work out which helps my mood and feel more me. X

I'm so glad you managed to get a scan for the weekend. I don't even think my EPU is open then. I really hope you get good news and I definitely think the lack of bleeding is a good sign.

I had a bit of a nightmare last night. My left-sided pain intensified and then I bled. Bright red blood and more than spotting though I've yet to saturate a sanitary towel (sorry, tmi). My thigh pain also intensified, which is so weird. The pain in my side feels like strong ovulation pain located right in my ovary, if that makes sense - it wasn't at all like a period cramp, and felt like it 'caused' the bleeding. Had to take paracetamol. The pain has subsided and the bleeding has slowed now but it took a day or two to get started properly last time so I'm not holding out hope. That said, it does feel different than last time. And my hcg can't have dropped that far yet because I'm still getting 2-3 weeks, meaning it could be more drawn out.

Went to urgent care because I'm genuinely petrified it's ectopic and they admitted me to majors then fobbed me off with a referral back to EPU who wouldn't scan me in the first place. So now I'm waiting on a call from them when I'm supposed to be leaving for Newcastle at 9 this morning. If I don't hear from them before then, I have no idea whether to go or stay home. Either way I'm going to have to let everyone know what's going on with me because I don't think I can fake being happy all trip. Not a great birthday present for my mum.

It's almost certain I'm miscarrying (it seems highly unlikely it could be anything else) but I'm not sure whether I should also be worried about my tubes/ovary, and literally nobody can tell me what the hell the issue is with my leg. Obviously my mind has done cartwheels and come up with DVT. I just want a scan and a definitive answer - if I'm miscarrying but all is happening naturally and without risks I can probably go to Newcastle, albeit later this weekend, but it doesn't seem sensible to get on a train for hours and risk possibly ending up in a hospital there if something sinister is happening. I'm going to lose my mind if they say they can't see me now until Monday.

Hey @weathervane123

I’m so sorry you’re bleeding. Your medical support seems terrible, I’m so angry for you. If you’re in that much pain and bleeding then EPU should be scanning you, I just don’t understand. Something is going on and you need experts to tell you what that is, not leaving you to “figure it out” EPU I’m sure will scan now, I hope by the point you have already had one this morning by the time you’re reading this. Fingers crossed for you.

If you do end up going with the family, just allow yourself to be, you’re right that faking happiness and enjoying yourself with this weight will be hard. You will have loved ones around you.

I had my scan this morning, they think I’m more likely 5 weeks, there is a pregnancy in the right place with amniotic and yoke sac but they can’t yet see embryo which they said is common this early. So I’m back in for rescan on the 3rd. I also have a cyst on left ovary which is likely causing the pain I’m experiencing. So, I guess once again a waiting game. X

Sorry gestational and yoke sac.

@Che3087 The waiting game absolutely sucks but I'm so glad you're in a good position and the pregnancy is in the right place. The dating stuff seems like a bit of an art, so I'll be rooting for you come 3rd June!

Sadly, I was diagnosed with ectopic in my left tube. I knew from the jump that something wasn't right with this pregnancy, so at the moment I'm feeling okay, despite missing our trip. It's been a tense wait but my bloods came back today with hcg at 106 down from 980 on Thursday, so they're heading in the right direction and for now I don't have to have the methotrexate jab to resolve things. I'm not counting my chickens though until it's at zero because there's still a risk of rupture/that levels may go up again. Back in next Monday for more bloods to see where I'm at.

It's my partner's bday in a few weeks so we've booked a couple of nights away at the seaside. Something to look forward to! I'll be checking in a little less often now, but do keep me posted on your journey. Good luck for next week!

I’m so sorry to hear @weathervane123 that’s incredibly tough for you, but now you know what you’re dealing with, your intuition was right, it’s so important to listen to our bodies, I’m glad you kept pushing for answers.

A few days by the seaside sounds like a really nice idea and will give you something to look forward to.

I completely understand why you want to remove yourself from the net, atleast for a little while. I’m sure I’ll keep you updated briefly good or bad. It’s been nice speaking with you through this, our time will come xx

Hi @Che3087, how are you doing? I hope your scan went well!

I'm doing okay, actually. Negative for hcg now, so it looks like my ectopic has resolved itself naturally. I had a nurse try and tell me she didn't think it was ectopic because my body sorted it so fast, which pissed me off given it was found (and measured!) on a scan by TWO experienced sonographers. It made me feel undermined, like she was trying to suggest all the worrying and stress over the past few weeks had been silly, even though a senior EPU nurse clinician was the one who put the fear of god into us over how serious it could be! I was pretty sharp with her and honestly, I'm glad that I'll have no reason to deal with my EPU for a little while!

We've been cleared to try again after my next period, but I'm going to wait until I've had some tests done and a smear that's due.

I hope it's good news for you!

Hi @weathervane123

Good for you putting her in her place, how dare she minimise your experience. Honestly you wonder why some people go into this profession. I think the fact you had 2 senior professional provide you their opinion and scans then the EPU nurse is way off. I would have reacted the exact same way and most certainly cut her down a peg or two!

You sound like you’re in a better place, I hope so anyway. And I’m glad you have been giving the all clear to start again after next period.

Things are going well, we had another scan yesterday to check up at EPU and I’ve progressed 7+1 day and heartbeat so I now won’t be back to EPU unless problems and wait my 12 week scan. Still constantly worried though until I reach that mile stone.
I really look forward to hearing how you get on, sending positive thoughts your way x

@Che3087 Oh that's such good news!! I'm so glad to hear all is progressing well.

I know it's a wait to the 12 week scan, but it'll fly by, especially if you keep yourself busy. I'm beginning to think that's the secret - lots to do and little time to dwell. Now the world has opened up some more it'll be easier than before to get out and about. I'm looking forward to being strict with myself next time, not to spend all my time thinking about the pregnancy (if I manage to catch again), and not testing until my period is a day late at least. Though I know it'll be hard I'm very keen to try. After all, I've learned that what will be will be no matter how much stressing I do!

Thanks for the support and best of luck for the next weeks. Summer always seems to fly by for me, so I hope you're at the 12 week point before you know it! Do keep me posted! xx