2 ERPC within 6 days!!

[missnatalie]

Hi Everyone,

Juat a quick update. After all the pain and bleeding that i had last week i eventually went to A&E. By the time that i got there (midnight thurs)the blood was pouring from me and i was passing HUGE clots . I was examined by a doctor in A&E. She did a internal on me and was able to pull out some of the clots. My cervix was fully closed so anything that was inside she was unable to get out. Her diagnosis was that i either had a bad infection or small pieces of tissue was left behind from the ERPC. I was admitted to the ward and schedules for a scan the next.

At the scan i had the biggest shock of my life . My baby was still inside me . I dont know what was taken out of me during the ERPC but it wasnt my baby. He / she was still laid in the same position as when i saw at the 11 week scan . The nurse said that there was pieces of it gone but most was still there.

I was then seen by a consultant who was lovely. He appoligised to me over and over again but it wasnt his fault (i had the ERPC in wolverhapmton but am now at my mums in manchester). He told me that it was medical negligance and i shouldnt have been left like that. He said that sometimes tissue is left behind but not that much. He booked me in for emergency surgery later that day and performed the op himself.

When i woke up from the op he came to see me and told me that the op went well. I do have a slight infection but he has put me on a high dose of anti-biotics. I was kept in overnight as i had a high temp and was feeling very unwell, but have been discharged today.

Im still in complete shock. I can not beleive that this has happened. Why does this cr*p keep on happening? DP was going mad at the hospital. He was absolutly fuming . He phoned the ward that did the original op and gave them a piece of his mind. I feel sorry for who ever was on the other end of that phone.

Just wanted to update you all on how i got on. Got to go now, my mums calling me. Shes making me a huge dinner and spoiling me rotton.

Natalie xx

I'm so sorry. What an ordeal for you on top of everything else you've been through.

hope you feel "better" soon iykwim

How awful

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i'm so sorry this has happened to you.the exact thing happened to me in december although i was never offered another scan,e.r.p.c or follow up.my whole baby and placenta was left inside of me so i dread to think what on earth they took to the crem to be cremated.i can't believe this kind of thing can happen.are you going to follow this up and make an official complaint?

my sympathies also to you ash, this is terrible, i didn't know that could happen.

Oh nat!! what a terrible terrible thing to have happened to you You have been through so much later, I hope you can get through this ok. You know where I am if you need to scream, just shout on here

Natalie, I am so sorry to hear what you've been through. Thank goodness you got a decent consultant in Manchester. I really hope now with the antibiotics and TLC you will get through this.

I would ask DP to make notes of everything thats happenned while its fresh in his head and then when you are both stronger you can write to the hospital to complain about the first op.

I experienced something similar recently -1st ERPC in Feb (by junior doctor)followed by 3 weeks of bleeding. Had a scan and was told there wasn't a problem, came back a week later to be told 'oh my god there's loads of tissue left'- when we queried why it wasnt picked up on first scan was told it was a less sensitive machine! Second ERPC was done by a consultant who used ultrasound whilst she performed it. Apparently some doctors are trained to do this, others do the op 'blind'- this was never explained to us at the outset, nor was the fact that we could have requested it. When you are in shock and grieving you don't tend to question what the hospital tells you. It's 5 weeks since the second ERPC and we just about feel ready to complain.

I know what you mean about being in shock and asking why things keep going wrong. DH and I kept asking 'what next'. We chose to have an ERPC as it seemed it would draw a line under the mc and we could begin to move on, however it ended up just dragging on and on.

I'm sure your second op went ok, but if you have any niggly doubts, pains, bleeding even if it seems minor take yourself to the hospital and demand a scan. At least it will give you peace of mind.

Wishing you lots of strength and sending big hugs xx

Hi MissN. This is horrible and I am so sorry to hear your story. You must be in shock, but once you are up to it, you should definitely complain, maybe sue?
I had also an incomplete ERPC, then a second ERPC, then got a cervical stenosis from the 2nd ERPC and needed to have a 3rd one.
The whole thing took half a year to diagnose whilst I thought they had permanently scarred my uterus. Oh and yes, I didn't get a single scan on NHS, because they insisted that they couldn't use resources unless I was bleeding
(I was bleeding into my uterus and abdomean all the while, it just couldn't come out).
I have finally filed a complaint 6 weeks ago and got an acknowledgementm but no response yet.
Lots of strength -- Hopefully the worst is over! Unfortunately, you are not alone (I hope you interpret this the right way). It'll take you a long time to recover, let it all out, you will go through many phases...

Hi Everyone, Well its been almost 2 weeks since my 1st ERPC and 1 week since the 2nd. Im still in complete shock and dont know what to do with myself. The bleeding is on and off at the moment. Its stopped for now and last night DP and i made love for the 1st time in months (sorry if tmi). I ordered some HPTs of ebay yesterday and they arrived this morning. Stupid me only went and peed on one and guess what. Its still showing faintly positive . How lond will it take for all these god damn hormones to get out of my body and for the test to show up negative? Anyone have any rough ideas?

Hi MissNat. I know how distressing it is to get the positive pg test. (Had them for 8 weeks afterwards, but this was because my 1st ERPC was incomplete and placenta kept producing hormones).
I think you can expect positve pg-test for at least two week, but the packaging says pregnancy test can have a false positive up to 4-6 weeks after mc (I guess they try to air on the safe side). I would continue to test though, especially if you want to try again right away, because you ideally would want one negative test, so that you know the positive is a new pregnancy. I didn't know this and GP told me for 6 weeks I was pg again, congratuling me
etc. Was absolutely horrible.
But maybe you don't care about certainty, then you can try right away and many women do and conceive right away and everything is fine.

Sorry life is so rough at the moment. You will need a lot of strength to get through this but in three months you will feel a little better.

Hi Glimmer

Sorry to hear about what happened with your doctor. It must have been terrible for you.

I dont want to ttc again until ive had a BFN. Reason being that when i had my EP that only ever show up as a faint positive. So if we start trying and then in a few weeks get a faint positive ill start panicing and drive myself mad thinking that its another EP. Am i right in thinking that i wont ovulate until all the hormones are out of my system and had a BFN?

Oh missN I hoped this wasnt going to be you when I opened this. So sorry to hear of this, you are having such a hard time of things.

Im sure nothing I can say can make any difference but my thoughts are with you. I hope you are getting lots of support (well done to your mum) and lots of tlc.

Hi Kezza

I have been meaning to pop back onto the October thread to say hi but i just cant bring myself to do it. Ive had a few peaks to see how your all doing though. I cant beleive how many people have joined since i left. It may sound stupid but i fel like the new people have taken my place (even though i know they havnt).

Im just trying to slowly move on with things. Ive had so much "pregnancy" bad luck in the past 5 months. Theres got to be some good luck coming my way soon.

Im waiting to get a BFN before ttc again (still getting a very faint positive) and them before you know it ill be starting the "Due March / April" thread (i hope). Im trying to remain positive although it is hard. The good thing is that i know the EP and MMC were in no way connected. Its just purely bad luck.

Do you by any chance know roughly how long it will take before i get that BFN?

Natalie xx

Hi MissN,
I have asked that same questions myself very often, but I do not know the answer. But some women certainly do ovulate 2 weeks after misscarriage, so I assume their hormomes went down faster than that? If not then you can ovulate while testing positive. Give it two weeks before you even start to worry. You will need that time to heal anyway. BTW I started feeling a little better as soon as the homrmones started to go down.

Im hoping that once the hormones have gone ill feel better too. Once i get a BFN im hoping that i can let go a little too. Thats interesting to hear too. I never knew that we can still ovulate whilst still having a faint positive.I did actually think i was ovulating a few days ago. My temp was higher than normal and i had what i thought may have been ovulation pains. So ive probably missed my window this cycle.

I can't do anything except sympathise with you on this.

However I would say when you are feeling stronger please do go after Wolverhampton hospital. They have a terrible reputation and are currently being watched by the Dept of Health since the obs and gyne dept had a very high mortality rate for both mothers and babies and there are many consultants have lawsuits pending against them. My first was born there and nearly went in to a coma due to negligence and I refused to go back for my subsequent births. I am not one of the lawsuit people but did bring it to their attention

Miss N I understand why the October thread is a bit raw for you, I wouldnt want to look if I was you.

I have no idea about getting a BFN, after my ERPC I didnt even think to check as my consultant asked me to wait 3 cycles before ttc. I did have to wait 12 weeks for my next AF though.

I really dont mean this in a flippant way, but you know you can get pregnant, and you know that your mc and ep were unrelated so surely next time you can expect a smooth ride? you certainly deserve it.

slalomsuki - Whn im feeling stronger and less likely to bawl my eyes out crying im definatly going to make a complaint to New Cross and maybe take it even further. Your right about their reputation. Ive been told so many terrible stories about them recently. Its putting me off ever going back their. Especially to the Maternity Dept. Ive also heared that the Manor has a bad rep too. Ive only ever been their once and i wasnt impressed really. There was used needles and blood tubes from the previous patient on my side table. There was also blood all over the blankets. Doesnt really leave my other options. Next time im pregnant and go into labour i can always beg beanie to stay put for the 90 mile journey to manchester .

Kezza - Yes thats at least one good thing that they wernt related. I have no reason to think that anything will go wrong with the next pregnancy but i just cant help having this nagging feeling at the back of my mind that something might. Im doing my best to stay positive. Thats all i can do really. Im determined to be back on the Ante-natel board ASAP

Natalie xx

TBH, when you get pregnant again you are going to worry until that baby is in your arms. I was happy and positive for a week after my scan and a week after hearing heartbeat at 16 week check, and in between I worry.

I have abolustely everything crossed for you that you concieve quickly and easily.

Take care

Thanks Kezza. As soon is i get my brand new bfp you'll be one of the 1st to to know . Although im going to try and not tell a single soul until 14 week ish. And even then it will only be family amd you guys of course. I want to leave it as long as possible before telling people and if anyone asks if my growing bump is a baby, ill tell them know im just constipated or eaten far too many pies . Wonder if that will work .

I forgot to tell you. My mum is such a thoughtful person. She knows how eager DP and i are to ttc again and she also knows how scared we are. Yesterday she told me that she had bought us a pressie but wouldnt say what it was. In the end i got it out of her. Shes bought us a fetal heart doppler, hoping that it will help us to relax a little more with the next pregnancy. My mum is the most thoughtful person ever. Shes just fab!!