6+2 no heartbeat. Crazy to keep hoping?

[PicaK]

Don't know why i'm asking really. We'll keep hoping until it's definite. My head knows the truth but my heart won't believe it.

Next scan booked for a week's time.

IVF baby so all the timings known to the hour (well ykwim).

I wish I could say something reassuring. The wait is awful, just try to look after yourself as you can go out of your mind waiting.
Good luck x

Hi there, 6+2 is quite early so I'll keep everything crossed that they just couldn't see it at your last scan.

I had a viability scan at 7+5 yesterday and no heartbeat, totally devastated and we're icsi/ivf too, somehow it feels like a double kick in the stomache, dealing with infertility and then all this shit!

Good luck with your scan, I know it's hard but try to find something to keep yourself occupied or you'll go out of your mind!

Will be thinking of you.

I had a scan at 6 weeks (also IVF pregnancy) and there was no heartbeat. At 7 weeks there was a heartbeat. Six weeks is really early to find a heartbeat, some clinics wait until 7 or 8 weeks for the first scan for this very reason. Fingers crossed for you. I know how hard the waiting can be.

Keeping everything crossed for you.

Even with IVF, early scans can be out by +/- 5 days.

Did they see an embryo? What was the size? Generally if it's under either 3 or 5mm (think the "rules" vary between clinics and the quality of the machine) and no heartbeat then there's a good chance all is okay.

Did the pregnancy in general measure 6w2d (e.g. gestational sac, yolk sac etc?)

I have been where you are which is why I know all this.. it didn't work out so well for me but I did find plenty of people who had a happier ending.

Hang in there - it isn't great, but it's not certain. Thinking of you.

Thank you everyone. Been keeping very busy and trying to stay positive. Booked in for a private scan on sat when i'll be 6+6. Feeling slightly nauseous all the time which is either a good sign or mother nature's cruel joke.

No they didn't give us the measurements or anything. Just told us to be positive. At least getting through the days is easier. Mind you this from the lady driving round with a dark towel in the car just in case

Yeah, I went private for extra scans when I was in this situation too. Waiting two weeks, or even a week.. it's worth the money to know even a day sooner.

Good luck on Saturday!

Just a quick update. Had the private scan on sat - no heartbeat and measuring v v small (2mm).

Private midwife all v jolly and on about the dates not being accurate. Vainly protested about ivf and extreme unlikeliness of it being 2weeks out.

So waiting now. Have still got the acu appt on weds. But we're supposed to be on hols and tbh I'm fed up with ivf and miscarriage ruling our lives. So gonna risk it and go to Wales. (Armed with pads, dark towels and a spare sheet). Gonna ring acu and say we'll be in next Mon for the prearranged 8 week scan and (if i've not started bleeding) can deal with it then.

Do you have to fight to get a erpc? Got one done the same day last year but I suspect that's cos I was taking up a hospital bed they needed.

Thanks for your comments.

I'm so sorry to hear this. It doesn't sound promising at all, not totally impossible (I have a friend whose IVF baby was a week to ten days behind at a similar stage, and she's fine, I still don't understand it, it should be impossible!!) but I think you're right to be pessimistic.

Depending on the EPU staff member and the circumstances, I've either had no issues with getting an ERPC, or they refused flat out. Usually if they agree it's been next day with me though. Do you have private medical insurance as they cover them, believe it or not - I ended up going private with my second one.

I hope your holiday helps distract you a bit.

Coming away was a good move.

murderofprose - thank you. what you say really helps.

we have a shared septic tank not mains sewage - so I just can't bear to think of my "baby" decomposing under next door's garden until november's collection. I'm sort of planning on throwing myself on the floor and screaming hysterically if I can't get an eprc.... well not quite but you know what I mean.

Glad you're away! I am sure it's never far from your thoughts, but it's good to get a sort of distraction.

I know exactly what you mean about losing the baby like that. It played on my mind too, it was another reason I wanted an ERPC asap when I knew things weren't viable. I've heard that hospitals treat the remains sensitively at least.

They should offer you an ERPC if there is no progress and no heartbeat, for what it's worth. I was denied an ERPC as despite only a day or two's worth of progress after two weeks, and a heartbeat down in the 60s (unless it's really early, it should be well above 100) they discharged me completely, saying "viable" because of the heartbeat leaving me with no choice but to go private. A private scan a week later with no heartbeat confirmed what we all knew and I had the ERPC privately. Hopefully they won't be that stupid with you in the unlikely event you have a similar scenario to me!

Hugs to you - obviously I hope for a far happier outcome, but if it doesn't happen, that things can be resolved as quickly and easily as possible.

PicaK - sorry you are going through this stress. I would like to say that it is very possible to measure two weeks behind with early scans. If you have a tilted uterus (very common) it happens. (see misdiagnosed miscarriages website for more information).

I had a scan at 7w3d with my second pregnancy and was told, dates must be out or non-viable pregnancy, as could not even see sac clearly and definitely could not see anything in it! My daughter is now 7 and my dates were totally correct (as proven at later scans).

I no longer trust early scans, with a tilted uterus it is very hard for the doctors/sonographers to get an accurate measurement. So yes there is still hope despite early scans suggesting otherwise.

As for ERPC - don't do it for an early m/c. there is a danger of damage to the uterus from scarring, the more erpc's the greater the risk to further pregnancies. ( it is called Asherman's syndrome)

I know it is difficult, especially waiting for your body to confirm whether or not a pregnancy is viable, but I hope that your holiday will be able to take your mind of it a bit. (I have had 12 miscarriages (one I ended with having erpc and one with medical intervention) so I have been through it a few times!)

I will hope for a miracle for you, and maybe you will end up with a pleasant surprise rather than a horrible miscarriage. I hope you get some rest and relaxation on your holiday too.

It's true about the tilted uterus. Always worth asking the sonographer if you have one or not. Turned out mine was anteverted so it flipped the other way.. but in my third pregnancy in the second trimester it flipped the other way again. So it can change!

I've never heard of it! Honestly youthink you know the ins and outs of this whole process then something new pops up.

I can't kill the hope. I'm still taking the folic acid, stuffing cyclogest pessaries in, swallowing aspirin and injecting heparin (got a blood clot problem) every day. And not drinking any alcohol!!!!! Nor going on the water slides.

So true - I learn something new each pregnancy, whether successful or not. That's one of DH's main concerns about any future pregnancies - I seem to attract "trouble" and it's always something different each time!

I was on the pessaries with my last pregnancy from 10 weeks to the end - thankfully rectal rather than vaginal so a bit less messy. I can completely understand not giving up hope. I never did, even after the NHS discharged me and it was mostly illogical that any good could come of it. There are miracles out there, and until it's clear there really is not a chance, it's worth hanging on. For your own sanity if nothing else so that you know you did all you could.

Sorry you're missing out on the water slides though. That's harsh!!

Have to have a sad chuckle at the waterslides - we were on holiday the week before I miscarried, and now I'm really pissed off that I missed out on the waterslides and the booze. Was totally worth it at the time though. I think I'm going to have a few weeks of doing everything you can't do when you are pregnant. I hope you are able get some enjoyment out of it and that there is good news for you on your return. Jen xx

Hello. Just wanted to update.

As we feared, our scan yesterday confirmed a silent miscarriage. (I have decided that I like this term my consultant used very much - much more so than mmc.)

God love the fertility staff at Bham women's hospital - they swung into action and sorted the op out, didn't have to go near epau.

Had the evac today - miserable time but the contrast to othet hospitals I have miscarried in was amazing, from the sensitivity of the staff to the nice forms. I know that sounds mad but I feel such rage and hatred towards the tissue disposal forms at whipps cross hospital. Badly photocopied, densely worded, inpetsonal documents. Funny how it's the small things that make such a big difference to how u feel.

It's been hard cos it's a year tomorrow since my last miscarriage/erpc.

Last go for us but sending good luck and best wishes for those carrying on ttc.

So sorry.

I'm so sorry it was as you feared. I'm relieved to hear you didn't have to fight to get the treatment you needed though and that they were good to you.

I hope your physical recovery goes well - be really kind to yourself.