Help! 9 weeks - big bleed last night (Fri); no EPAU appointment til Tues. Any hope?

[sassymay]

Had bright red bleed last night and fear the worst. Have had two prior miscarriages (one singleton, one twin) and two successful pregnancies (one singleton, one twin). Small clot this morning and some lighter bleeding. No real pain -- a few twinges.
Nurse/doc on phone say that 30 per cent of people with my symptoms turn out to be fine. Somehow still feeling absolutely gutted. At the same time, don't want to give up -- would be devastated to lose this one. At 45 feel like it's my last chance for a much-loved fourth child.
Was reading about subchorionic hematoma in the hope that it could be that.
Does anyone out there have any experience of it? Or any other experience that sounds like mine whatever the outcome?
I could do with any thoughts, tips, words of comfort! I've self-prescribed bed rest so will be here to read any answers...

i have 2 friends who had BIG bleeds around this time. I mean big as in gushing, and both assumed it was the end.
Both went on to have their babies and all was well. one had spotting throughout the pregnancy, the other had no more bleeding at all.
I know with one of them it was where the placenta had come away slightly and a pocket of blood had formed which then all came out for some reason one evening.

I think the fact that the bleeding is much ligher now and you aren't in pain is a good thing (although I'm no expert).
I hope your EPAU appointment goes well on Tuesday, and fingers crossed for a healthy pregnancy!

I had two big bleeds one at eight weeks and one at 9 weeks. Like you by the next day it had almost stopped. The cause was never found and dd is healthy and now 9 years old. Hope all's well for you too.

Thanks for your messages thisisyesterday and insanityscratching. It's a big comfort knowing all may be well. I got some acupuncture and now sticking to bed rest. Tuesday seems one hell of a way off to wait for scan!! Not much bleeding now -- and no pain, so some cause for optimism. I'm telling baby to just hang on in there.

Hi Sassy,
My mum told me that she bled lots when she was expecting my brother. And it was bright red blood that gushed out if her. It kept happening on and off until she was 5 months pg and it wasn't just blood.mshe said there were big clots as well. It turns out she had a placenta previa (low lying placenta? Not sure if this is what it means). Apparently the placenta can move its self into a better position over time which is probably why her bleeding stopped after a while. Of course you will be worrying now but that is perfectly natural. Try not to think one way or the other. You don't want to get your hopes up too much in case it's not good news but then you don't want to get your self really distressed. I really hope everything is ok xx

Just wanted to send positive vibes.

Thanks ruthlesskangaroo that's very interesting about your mum. I've heard some similar stories and they offer some hope. Thanks to Wolfiefan too -- positive vibes appreciated.
Still moderate bright red bleeding and no pain. Went to A&E last night to beg for scan. Part of me wanted to say goodbye to the baby before they were all gone. Hospital took firm line of scans aren't for reassurance and won't affect the outcome although the doctor I saw didn't agree he was powerless to do anything so they sent me packing. Positive pregnancy test taken by Doc but faint. I decided this morning it was all over, as didn't feel pregnant anymore. Took some codeine as was sure cramps were coming but they disappeared again. Then a surge of nausea and tender boobs midday got me confused all over again.
I think it's cruel to deny a scan to someone who is not sure if they are miscarrying or not. To confine them to bed for four days to wait for available scan. Still in limbo.

Oh Sassy

Crossing fingers for you. That 'limbo' feeling is torture. Have had 4 MC's ad sympathise so much. Sending lots of love and hope.

SC xx

I am also in limbo waiting on blood test results and only two very faint positive tests to go by. I spoke to my bestest friend last night and have decided to be cautiously excited. Hope all works out for you

Good luck; my best friend had a big bleed at 9 weeks. little girl is GORGEOUS! Will keep everything crossed for you xxx

Thanks to SleepyCaz, bugoven and holls2000 for messages of support.
Without Mumsnet I would have no hope by now. Have continued to bleed throughout the day without pain. Then tonight a large clot -- palm sized. Quite scary, especially after not-good experience of A&E last night. Since then, my body has settled back down to light bleeding. I have decided to stage a one-woman sit in tomorrow morning at Early Pregnancy Assessment Unit. I think that's what is required to get a scan there these days!! I'm really hoping that subchorionic haematoma or similar could explain bleed, clot and faint positive test line. Also I've read that being rhesus negative means I may need treatment after 3 days of bleeding. Like that injection they give you after childbirth. Another good reason to get myself to hospital.

A happy conclusion seems like a big ask. Not much short of a miracle. So all the positive vibes much appreciated x

sassy it sounds like you have experienced exactly the same as me but my clots (sorry of TMI) were much smaller and I had then first thing in the morning but virtually nothing for the rest of the day. I feel pregnant (or at least like I never have before). Hope we both have good news - if I am pregnant I'm 7 weeks 2 days but only a couple of very faint tests to show for it.
Hope all goes well tomorrow - I'm back to the docs for a second blood test to see what my levels of HCG (if there is any and I'm not just going mad) are doing.

Good luck bugoven. I got blood taken today for HCG levels and an exam which showed my cervix to be closed and little new blood around. Also will get anti-D shot as I'm rhesus negative. Thanks the other posts that pointed out the need for anti-D.
The doctor said there are two possibilities -- a miscarriage is about to happen, or there is a viable pregnancy. The only way to tell for certain is a scan. Then, in spite of fact scan machine in room and switched on Doctor said she was unable to do scan. I would need to come back tomorrow for my 10.30 appointment.
To me seems inhumane to tell someone you are either pregnant or losing your baby but I'm not going to tell you which until tomorrow. So I have a long 24 hours wait ahead. Please send miracle vibes my way x

i am sorry you're going through this . fwiw when i had my NT scan (2 days after i started bleeding) i told the sonographer what was happening before she started as i wanted no preamble and i wanted her to know i was worried so she could prepare herself for the worst part of her job, after we saw the baby had died and she expressed her sympathy she said there is no way of ever telling from the blood what the outcome is to be. Her words were "i've had women come in who have had tremendous bleeds and their babies have been completely fine, i've had some with no bleeding or tiny bleeds and their babies have stopped growing". They don't say died.

Yes waiting for a scan sucks big time, its awful. I know in some areas women are supremely lucky and can walk in and get one but not in mine. I went to the EPU and was seen as a walk in self referer by a doctor who said my cervix was closed, the bleeding was dark brown and of small quanitity, she could not scan me though, they could only book me in for the first free app in 2 days time (same day as my NT scan so pointless). Recently i had to book again to see if i had an retained products post ERPC, again 2 working days wait. The demand is too big for the resources. This is why i now get annoyed when women are encouraged on some boards to go along and get a reassurance scan when they have no bleeding and no pain, it is so unfair on those who are in agony waiting with genuine cause for concern.

anyway i wish you all the very best and have fingers and everything else crossed that all will be ok for you.

of course women who have had previous ectopics should also be scanned and its routine i believe for that to happen. My area won't even routinely scan recurrant miscarriers.

Thank you blackcatsdancing. I am sorry for your loss.
I found out about having lost twins during a scan.

One bright moment today. On ringing the hospital for HCG results she said they were good (I.e. hcg 25,000 and progesterone 25? or something like that) and even high. This made up for the apparent faint test in A&E.

That news stoked up the feelings of hope for a while.

Meanwhile the bleeding continues so it's good to know that it's possible for babies to 'survive' a tremendous bleed.

10.30 tomorrow the longed-for and dreaded scan.

Thanks for all the good wishes and crossed fingers x

How did it go sassy? Hope it was good news for you

:( Sad news.
They found a little 5 weeks fetus all in proper place -- no heartbeat but as 5 weeks that inconclusive. The hosp cannot call this a miscarriage or treat me for one as they have no prior scan to compare with.
From their perspective, I may have my dates wrong. I wish I did!
I know I'm nine weeks from preg test, no sex since (to avoid miscarriage!) Therefore I know miscarriage on the way.
Feeling gutted and like hiding away. They'll take more HCG tomorrow and if on the way down will have proof. But also another scan in a week.
:(

Still sounds like you don't have a definite answer. Very sorry and thinking of you X

BTW Mine wasn't good news. Waiting for AF and hoping everything will be ok for next time.

Sassymay and bugoven
Im so sorry for your losses. MC is one of the worst things a woman could experience. I had one last week and still wonder over and over again what i did wrong. I have now decided to look on the bright side, like bugoven said, just hope for next time.
Sending positive thoughts your way...

Thanks joy I have no idea how long after MC my cycle will get back on track. Any ideas anyone?

So sorry for your losses ladies. I had a mc 20years ago so I know how you feel. Your cycle should be back to normal asap. Keep positive. I went on to have a healthy daughter after my mc, my daughter is 6.5 wish pg and is bleeding with lower abdominal pain and has an epu appointment on Tuesday.

Was meant to put 6.5 weeks not wish!!!

I had mc on the 29 th jan, had my period 4 weeks later, not sure if I should wait one or two weeks till try again

I stopped spotting for the first time since 22nd Jan yesterday. My mood has lifted - I was a little sad but also majorly hormonal. This is about 2.5 weeks after MC at 7 weeks. Feeling hopeful that my body is sorting itself out and is as keen as I am to move on =)