Recurrent Buns - Miscarriage Testing and Beyond! Part three..!

[Julezboo]

Not so imaginative as lunatic !

Part One HERE

Part Two HERE

There are a mixture of Pg ladies, new BFP's (YAY) and new ladies who have sadly had to join us and are going through testing. Lots of OMW's and hand holding here!

Sit down, grab a cushion and a hot choc and get comfortable.

[ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts]

Afternoon Ladies. Hope you are all well.

Lunatic I think the cold has passed me by and gone straight into my ear. I keep going a bit hot and cold and dizzy so not sure if I have an ear infection on its way instead. Hope this week flies by for you with your DH away, enjoy the time with your mum :)

broken I think there is a max referral time here too. The choose and book thing said that I will definitely hear something by the 9th Dec which isn't far away now. Not really sure on the questions I should ask. I have just read your suggestion and agreed with it but my mind has gone blank.

Is your mum my mum?! She is exactly the same. After having two mcs before DD I was obviously wanting to keep my preganancy with DD as private as possible for as long as possible. I was living with my mum at the time so it was hard to keep it from her so I said tell nobody at all. She told 3 of her friends and told them not to say anything (as if that makes it ok) but then they said congrats to me so I knew she'd told them. If I got pregnant again I think I would stay indoors and tell nobody but DH until I give birth

on your behalf at your friend. You'd think she would have some sensitivity as to not to rub it in your face. You are so not a cowbag :)

banana hope you hear something from your consultant soon. It isn't nice to be left waiting when you don't know what's wrong. For your sake I hope it isn't anything serious. Hugs for you xx

Had a lovely morning with DD. Been for a long walk to the shops and had a play in the snow. Went for a coffee and a cake and then came back and had snuggles on the sofa. Got her first ENT appointment tomorrow morning.

Haven't got any further in my book yet as DD is too full on for me to concentrate to read when she is about. I will wait until she is at preschool.

[LadybeenKissingSantaClaus]

Hi ladies, ladybee dropping in again gosh lots going on here.

brokenbits v glad to see the positive and I really hope you only have good things happen this time around.

banana87 I'm so sorry - it seems you've got something a bit complicated going on, but it sounds like you're getting cared for reasonably well. I do hope it gets sorted out without too much trauma.

coconuts, I didn't read all the previous thread so I'm not sure of your history, but am a bit about your GP and the response to metformin. Unless things have changed, the GP should be able to prescribe metformin as a starting point to try to induce ovulation where PCOS is concerned. It's not a recommended/accepted treatment though (in terms in NICE guidelines) but there are studies that show it can be useful and it's fairly cheap. Anyway, good that you've been referred further. I think it's worth being a bit bullish when you go the appointment and just state openly that you believe you aren't ovulating and want to know what can be done to induce ovulation as you want to get pregnant and this is the first step. Lay it on the table.

What pill are you taking? Dianette or Celeste can have an effect of 'mopping up' excess Androgens, and my consultant did say that there is often a bounce effect where fertility can boosted after being on it. I don't think it can do any harm going back on for a cycle, will also give you a chance to relax and forget about ttc while you wait for the letters to come through. I would be a bit wary about what tests they may want to run again though - I think I'd want the test to reflect my 'normal' state, not my 'just been on the pill' state.

It's also great that your BMI is within the healthy range. It means that there should be no 'you need to lose weight before we treat' delays.

With the 'Choose and Book' system are you able to see who you will be seeing? Might be worth choosing someone further away if you can get someone really interested in PCOS or recurrent MC.

Oh gosh - there's just too much to read, will have to continue later.

I just wanted to let you know that I took inspiration from you and went back to battle the consultant today. Some of my blood tests are still not available, so he's getting his secretary to follow those up. He was ruffling his paper as though that was the end of it, so I bravely got my review out and put a copy on his desk and said I wanted to discuss the Leiden Factor V further.
He did a bit 'where is this from' and 'who is this by' but when I said I wanted to know what the risks of treatment were, and said that I thought it was worth not dismissing the impact of this on my risk factor simply because I already had PCOS, he seemed to realise that I wasn't going to be fobbed off or had grabbed something dodgy off the internet.
I think he was worried that I'd want treatment continuously. Which would be quite high impact. But I suggested treatment when pregnancy occurs, and he considered that and then said 'deal. You call me when you're pregnant and we'll go with 40mg (or something) Clexane injections daily plus aspirin'. So that's it.
I'm pleased that he wasn't so stubborn as to refuse to consider it. I left the copy of my paper and he pushed it to the student doctor sitting in and said 'here, you read this first and come back and talk to me about it'. So...maybe MN has helped to educate a couple more doctors?

[ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts]

ladybee Nice new Christmas name :)

My history is pretty long so I wont bore you with the details but suffice to say it has taken 5 years to get a PCOS diagnosis. When I saw the GP after the scan I said could Clomid or Metformin help me to ovualte and she dismissed the Metformin and said that I don't meet the criteria for Clomid.

I have Cilest, which sounds like the best pill to be on with PCOS. Having read some of the book I have it does say taking a cycle of the pill can help boost things but to wait 8 days after taking the last tablet before any blood tests to ensure it is out of the system. I have been off it since March and I haven't started to take it yet for a single cycle as I would rather go to my appointment (when I get it) with things as they are at the minute than the Pill have any effect on the treatment they offer me. Am I doing the right thing IYO?

I am able to choose the hospital and I have chosen the one I have always been to which is the main one in my area. I have requested (at the GP visit) to be referred to a specific consultant that I was under before who does specialise in PCOS and infertility. Makes me question him though as to why he didn't pick it up 5 years ago if he is a specialist Is it possible I didn't actually have PCOS 5 years ago? (I was only 18 then)

Good on you for being so forthright with your consultant. It brilliant he has listened to you. Go and get yourself pregnant If only it were that easy!

[MummyinEngland]

go ladyb! What a great story re consultant!

[batteryhen]

Just poppping in to say hi :) thanks for all your comments about light periods after erpc, I have had AF now for 5 days - even though it is light, I am still calling it my first AF! I have now worked out when I ovulate so have booked DP on a flight back home (he works abroad :))

ladybee You are brave and I am intersted that the consultant said about the clexane. I am waiting for my referral re factor v but if I get pregnant in the mean time - I will suggest that to my GP!
banana I hope the consultant gets back to you soon and has some anwers for you xx
coconuts I am in south Lincs too - and am not loving this snow!
broken it is normal to be hopeful one minute and anxious the next. I have told DP that if I get pregnant again I will let him know then I don't want to talk about it till the 12 week scan! I can't deal with the excitement then the let down, so if I pretend it's not happening I will be ok :)
mummyI have had a look at the website so thank you :) I am hoping though that this AF is ok and all is well xx

Big hello to hairy - hope you are doing ok,
and a big wave to everyone else to xx not much going on here, am baking and keeping myself busy. Choccy chip cookie anyone ??

[LadybeenKissingSantaClaus]

Coconuts I would not bother with the pill before seeing the specialist. I think when you're talking to them it's easier if you've got very simple facts to tell them (and have it written down, mine fired questions at me, I felt very good being able to look down at my crib sheet and fire answers back). It's easier for them to hear: "I came off the pill in X, got pg in X, MC in X (or whatever), haven't had a period since X, that's X months now".

Once they've got your history correct, then you can discuss further testing to ensure diagnosis is correct. And then the questions

• Based on my history, what do you think is happening?
  
• Do you need to run any further tests? Do they need to be done at any particular time in my cycle?
  
• If the test confirm the diagnosis, what treatment would you recommend first?
  
• How long would we try that treatment before reviewing?
  

I had my first diagnosis around age 15. Got it re-diagnosed regularly, especially as I moved around and had new GPs who would generally ask questions about treatments I was on. I'll probably ask to be referred back to my latest consultant here in London if I don't get pg again in the next 3 months (that will be 6 months of trying since last MC). Good luck with it.

[ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts]

battery spooky were in the same part of the country :) I don't like the snow but put a happy face on for DD who is loving it :)

lady thanks that's a great help. I did have a list of all my history but DD tore it up at my last GP appointment will write another when I get my appointment date. We have been TTC since March although I told the doctors Jan and I haven't had a period since June.

Hopefully you can conceive in the next three months and get on the Clexane. But at least if you don't you have someone to be referred back to. With your PCOS do you ovualte/have periods regulary? Or are they non-existent like me?

[banana87]

Ok, consultant just phoned. HCG is 235. He says this is not indicative of molar pregnancy, but they are still not sure what they are seeing. He wants me to see him tomorrow, have another scan and blood test in a week, and go from there. And you know, as long as its nothing harmful, I do not actually mind. I need time off from TTC/being pregnant/miscarrying and perhaps this is just what is happening.

[MummyBellsAllTheWay]

Hi banana
I had a very similar level and it was retained tissue, mine was around 250, at the time everyone thought it was molar as I had other symptoms but tissues were tested after the erpc and the results were negative. I had a look at www.molar pregnancy.co.uk and most of the women had levels like 25000, 11000 etc

If you are not having an erpc ( and it sounds like you are not) then they will closely monitor your hcg level, mine fell to 30 a day before the erpc indicating that it wasnt molar.

A very small amount of retained tissue can start to draw a blood supply from the womb lining tricking your body into thinking there is a pregnancy which triggers the production of hcg. Your body will quickly realise that there is no pregnancy and production will stop and the level will fall again. Your doctors will advise if the tissue needs to be removed or not based on size. I am guessing that if they can't see it on the scan. (mine was clearly visible by the way) that it may come away spontaneously with your period. You can expect close monitoring of this though. I would ask them if they feel you need antibiotics to protect you from the risk of infection, this is pretty standard.

Hope its all over soon xxx

[banana87]

Thanks Mummy. As soon as he said 235 I felt relieved as I have looked at that website. I also do not feel pregnant at all. He said the area is very very small. Fingers crossed I start my period soon and it all resolves itself. It's been 7 weeks, you'd think my body would have gotten the hint by now!

[hairyfairylights]

Hope you are ok banana our bodies don't always behave, do they at least mine doesn't.

Anyone got any advice? We have been trying for a year - had FSH and AMH tests with doc in February (they were very nice, now with a different surgery) - so should the GP now re-do the AMH and FSH tests, as it's been over a year?

Cheers

[Julezboo]

banana Reading your posts is like a flash back for me! Back in 2008 I had a similar thing happen. I had a scan at 6 weeks which a HB was found, then again at 7 weeks wher 2 hb's where found. A week later, not hb's, I had a D&C 31 mar (date sticks in my head because the year before id also had a D&C on 31st march)

Despite D&C my HCG levels kept going up. They were convinced it was molar. I was back and forth for days having HCG tests. About a week after D&C i came down with a horrid womb infection. DH came home from work to find me quite poorly, he rushed meback up to the ward were they umm'd and ahh'd about doing another D&C.

Anyway, long and short of it, second D&C wasnt neccessary, molar came back clear and the 3cm mass that was in my womb turned out to be a polyp. But we didnt find this out until November when I had an op to remove it took their time.

If it was molar, your HCG would be considerably higher, mine was something stupid like 130,000. and kept going up. I was so violently sick.

I hope they get you sorted!

Quick update from me. GTT done today, I kept the drink down which wasnt so bad! Results will be in on Wed. I did get other results back and my iron level is only at 5 :( so its no wonder i am feeling so shitty all the time and it also explains the dizziness i keep getting. So Iron tablets and lots of brocoli and sprouts for me lucky DH haha!

Hada bit of a meltdown this evening over my back pain again. Its bloody agony. Im not even sure its related to pregnancy tbh because its more shoulder pain. I am drugged up tonight and I have physio appt on Fri morning.

waves to everyone else x

[LAF77]

broken you have said exactly what I am thinking. I am so desperate for this to work out and have a happy ending this time as I can't bear anymore grief. I've been thinking about the statistics of having a third mc as being over 1 in 1,000 and trying to take comfort in that. Things have never gone right for me, only gone wrong, so I can't relax. I have no sickness so i have to trust my body even though it has let me down twice. It would be nice to think that if there is no bleeding, then everything is OK. I have 9 days until my scan. I've been
busy at work since my return so I am a little distracted.

I also get the "friends" who seem to care and I have shut myself off from these RL people who are pg and showing concern about my predicament. I havent told anyone bar my friend who is living in another country. I haven't told my family and it feels better to keep it really quiet this time.

We have to find a way to be strong and get through these next few days.

[hairyfairylights]

Oh Laf that rung bells with me - two pregnancies, two miscarriages, so very much grief I thought I would go mad.

I hope you will bear the wait til your scan, and I will keep everything firmly crossed for you.

Is it 1 in 1,000 for a third? does age make any difference?

[stillfrazzled]

Hi all,

Coconuts glad the book?s giving you some comfort, and that you?re at least in the system now.

LAF77 know what you mean about realising your lack of control. It?s horrible. Being careful with diet and exercise is absolutely the best thing you can do, though and it does at least feel like you?re doing SOMETHING? FWIW you?re right about the stats, I think ? and I know I quote this stat a fair bit, but the chance of successful pg after two mcs is still 75% if memory serves, only about 5-10% less than those who never had one.

hairytriangle really glad you got a helpful doctor and the tests can be done at the surgery.

Lunatic, oooohh weird moment ? but brave of you to hand all that over. I gave my friend all my CB digi sticks a couple of months back and that felt weird, so can def sympathise. Good to hear movement?s picking up again, but booo on the cold.

Julez, to hear that you?re having a rough time but please don?t beat yourself up because it?s not ?rough enough? to feel sad about! FX for your friend and sending her all good wishes.

digital don?t know what to say. It?s such early days, can well understand everything feeling pointless or like a huge gamble. Do you have to make a decision right away? It might be that in a couple of months you?ll feel more ready.

Broken you?re not a horrible cowbag, you?re a terrified, post-mc and newly pg OMW. Which means everything you feel is OK but is better to confine the rants to your DH and us, and pretend to be a rational human being elsewhere. Hope that clears it up . Seriously, my friend who?s one week less pg than me but has never had an mc or even a scare annoyed the t*ts off me in the early stages because she complained the whole time, too. And obv I couldn?t labour the point about there being way worse things than a bit of nausea, like staring at empty ultrasounds, because that would be mean. So I do understand, a bit.

Hi MummyinEngland, good to hear you?re getting a chance to enjoy your trip (even if you?re suffering in the cold!). Lots of pg ladies ? yes, have been hoping it?s a lucky thread and everyone here will get BFPs and lovely babies

LadyBee, love the Christmas name, and REALLY love your handling of the doctors. Have an inner picture of the ladies of this thread cutting a terrified swathe through the medical establishment of the UK and elsewhere. Go go go!

Batteryhen at the ticket home for DH. Hope you both enjoy the reunion?

Banana glad it?s not molar and you sound so strong.

Not much to update ? oven will be arriving tomorrow, have ordered worktops, and today must book plasterer and buy some boxes to pack kitchen into as we?re removing tiles tonight. Why did I do this, whywhywhy? Also is properly snowing out there, which is making me a bit paranoid as now late on and am RH neg so there?s some risk to baby if I fall and bump the bump and don?t get stabbed with another massive syringe of anti-D. DS giddy with joy re snow, of course, so trying to put a happy face on it?

[batteryhen]

Hello everyone - I am glad people are surviving the snow. I hate driving in it it frightens me to death!

banana glad you are feeling calm, and that the molar thing has been ruled out xx
hairy love the new name :) how are you doing ?
digi You are a bit quiet - how are you?

Not much from me - the consultant had written to my Dr asking me to have some more bloods done before I get an appointment with him. I have to have karotype amongst others on monday.

Thats it, no other news. My life is dull. I should be heading for my 20 week scan and here I am taking my temps and trying to second guess my ovulation dates :(

Sorry to be miserable, will slink off and have a word with myself xx

[justmee]

Hi all
Sorry long time not been able to get on
Hope your all doing ok any news ith anyone Mummyinengland İ see youve had some good news thats fantastic!! really happy for you

Well iv been testing with the sticks and didnt have much luck last month overlated 27th nov this month but was gettin really dark lines on the 27th 28th and 29th they confuse me :( not only that but had the news yesturday that im going to be an auntie again to my sister in law when i was told i gave her a big hug but cudnt hold my tears in i had to walk to the loo if not it would have been so rude to cry there :( im soo happy for them but i dont know how to react being around her nomore İts been 7 months and i still havnt got pregnant is that normal ?? im stressing so much im paniking i cant get pregnant nomore aaahhrrr im having such a bad day i just want to lock myself in the bedroom and cry its getting me down so much did anyone else have any problems getting pregnant after miscarriages i miscarried last 1 and a half years ago but didnt try again till may this year after our teasting

[justmee]

Hi all
Sorry long time not been able to get on
Hope your all doing ok any news ith anyone Mummyinengland i see youve had some good news thats fantastic!! really happy for you

Well iv been testing with the sticks and didnt have much luck last month overlated 27th nov this month but was gettin really dark lines on the 27th 28th and 29th they confuse me not only that but had the news yesturday that im going to be an auntie again to my sister in law when i was told i gave her a big hug but cudnt hold my tears in i had to walk to the loo if not it would have been so rude to cry there im soo happy for them but i dont know how to react being around her nomore its been 7 months and i still havnt got pregnant is that normal ?? im stressing so much im paniking i cant get pregnant nomore aaahhrrr im having such a bad day i just want to lock myself in the bedroom and cry its getting me down so much did anyone else have any problems getting pregnant after miscarriages i miscarried last 1 and a half years ago but didnt try again till may this year after our teasting

[ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts]

Hi all,

julez your iron level is very low, you must feel so drained. Get eating those sprouts :) I would like to know whether that actually has any remarkable effect because I hate sprouts! Hope your GTT results come back ok tomorrow.

frazzled glad you have your oven arriving tomorrow :) Just think of the end result, your new kitchen will undoubtedly look lovely even though it is stressful at the time the work is happening. Wish I could have a new kitchen. I've always wanted a posh one with an island in the middle and a spray down tap thingy A girl can dream! I'm also RH neg and have to anti-D. They are stingy jabs :(

battery if you are in south lincs, can I ask who your consultant is and what hospital your are at?

justmee what tests have you had? were the results of any remarkable result? We have been TTC for around 9 months but I have just been diagnosed with PCOS as I'm not ovulating/having periods. Have had a fight on my hands to get referred to gynae but I got there in the end. Lots of ladies here have also been trying for a long time, alot longer than me. Keep coming back if you need to ask questions and vent :)

Hello to all I have missed.

Nothing new here with me. Had DD's ENT appointment. All is good, just need to do a hearing test to rule out any further problems but otherwise a positive appointment. In and out in 5 minutes.

Had a massive snowball fight today, for the first time ever. It never snowed enough when I was younger. I felt like I was about 8 years old! DD thought it was fab :)

I think she has suddenly developed a strange fear of the dark. She has been unmanageable at bedtime this past week, in fits of tears. I thought she was getting ill or just playing up but I put a little night light on and she went to sleep fine these past two nights. I don't know why though, I feel terrible knowing something scared her and I didn't know. Wish she could tell me these things :(

[justmee]

i had chromosome tests and a test from inside they showed all ok but doc told me next time i fall pregnant i will be put on heparin inj i know im overlating as i have been testing last month and this month but its just not happnıng :( its so disapointing and since iv been trying my im always late due on :( and u get all excited only to be banged down 10x harder :( uff

Sorry to hear what your going though but glad you got some good results you feel just that little bit closer eveytime you get soome sort of results :) hope it happens for you soon :) thanks for replying 2 me xxx

[LadybeenKissingSantaClaus]

Brrrr

BunchOfCoconuts you asked about my periods with PCOS. I am on Metformin and I find that it regulates my periods/ovulation very well. They are fairly regular at 26-28 days, I chart and use CBFM and my charts look quite standard.

banana87 how did you get on with the scan today?...

hairy - I'd see whether they can do the tests again. A lot can change in a year and I'd probably want to know what my current status was. Also like comparing things.

Julez - there is a small part of me that reads your trials and thinks "god, why do I want to be in that lady's shoes? they seem very uncomfortable indeed" I know they don't give out medals for pregnancy or birth but actually I think you deserve one for courage beyond the call of duty

stillfrazzled - just think how wonderful it will be when it's all done. Am very of it. Just be careful about all sharp and slippy things.

batteryhen, you sound like you need a . It's just a matter of one day after the next at the moment. You'll get there though. Little by little.

justmee hello again - really sorry you're finding slow going. It is hard when you feel like you can't even make the first step back on the path you want to follow. Unfortunately, apart from having regular sex throughout your cycle, there's not much more that you can do. Just try to keep optimistic that it will happen, and if it doesn't after a year go back to your doctor and ask for more tests.

LunaticFringe how are you feeling now?

[banana87]

Brrrr...it's freezing out there! I think we are a bit snowed in today...Surrey police have said not to drive unless you have to...

batteryhen Sorry you are having a tough time. Hang in there, it gets better.

LAF77 pleased you are still going strong! Hopefully the next week will fly by!

Broken How are you feeling?

Frazzled Jealous of your new kitchen! I shall be painting my cupboards (wooden) in Jan, and have asked for new handles for Xmas. I need new worktops and a new sink, but new flooring is a must first. The joys of re-decorating, huh?

Coconuts Glad DD's ENT appt went well.

I saw my consultant last night. He said that there is a small round area on the outside of my uterus, poking in. I have ovulated, and he thinks that whatever it is will be flushed out with AF, but they will be keeping a close eye. I am due to go for a scan next week followed by another blood test then see him next Tuesday. Hopefully AF will have arrived though and I wont have to do all that!

[MummyBellsAllTheWay]

Hi ladies,

the snow is all very pretty and all that, but I would quite like someone to turn it off now, it is putting a dampner on my shopping activities!

hairy I would second ladyb and say get the tests, I think all tests are useful, even the ones that come back "normal" as it helps rule things out and get everyone focused on the right area. Am I remembering correctly that you had an ectopic? If so, did you have an HSG or sHG after that? As someone who spent an awful lot of time investigating hormonal issues only to find that the problem was structural I would recommend you get those kind of tests done too.

banana sounds like a good plan, I am glad they aree looking after you.

justme I am so sorry that you are still having a hard time, I know how awful it is not knowing what is going on. Don't give up hope though, it is really worth it when you get there in the end. We are all here to help you through it if you need us ! About the OPK'S I just read on another thread that some women glue them all together on a piece of cardboard and this makes it easier to compare the changing lines over the days. Sounds weird but helpful. Have you tried taking your temperature as well as opk's? this might help you work out why your period is late.

Coconuts at your snowball fight

battery come and be miserable as often as you like, this is the place to get it all out, as long as we all take turns I am sure the thread can take it hope your ov detecting skills are better than mine!

stillfrazelled i am also at the new kitchen. I have just given over my house decorating budget to the doctors hopefully it will be worth it!

julez good luck with your results today xxx

broken hope all is well and you are resting and taking it easy. Xxx

I am 14 days into my high dose HRT, and feeling a bit bonkers. Just sent two panicky emails to the doc as I am feeling crampy period pains ( no blood) and I am not sure if this is normal or not. No response yet, would be nice to hear something reassuring before I fly in two days. Yesterday I was contemplating making an appointment but he will probably only scan me to see where I am in my cycle and that will cost me £500, I can get the same thing done in Costa Rica for £40 so I am going to sit tight and wait it out. I wish I had a "worry Off" button to press




hope you three are ok

[stillfrazzled]

Got oven but now farking worktops may not arrive until next week (ordered them on Sat because company promised five-day delivery).

Worktops a wee bit important to kitchens, and carpenter booked for Sat and Sun. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

As well as being stressed as hell, am grubby, house filthy and need to spend evening removing bloody tiles.

AND I haven't walked more than 200 yards in three days and like you, MummyBellsAllTheWay, I am SICK OF SNOW!!!

Sorry for lack of personal updates and all, I just wanted to whinge. Hopefully more positive stuff to follow later.

[ALovelyBunchOfCoconuts]

Afternoon all,

Hope everyone is well.

I've had a strange morning today. Woke up super early, feeling really strange, had a really weird urge to do a pregnancy test. I don't know why but I just couldn't stop looking at it. It was negative. Went back to bed. Disappointed but I knew it would be negative anyway I don't know what came over me. I'm with myself. Haven't even told DH, don't see the point. So now I've wasted a decent CB one. [OMW]

So went back to sleep. Woke up super late with DD just waiting for me to wake up, bless her. Cue some really excruciating pain that I would compare to really severe period pains, like early contractions. Lasted for half an hour and then I felt really sick. My body is so strange.

justmee what would the heparin do? I'm being a bit thick today.

mummy Snow does hinder shopping! Bet your DH is glad he stayed in CR! If you had that button I'm sure some of us would like to borrow it Hope you get a response soon.