Crisis point

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Anyone else have a mh crisis in perimenopause? I have had crushing axiety, heart banging panic attacks at 3am and all day every day rumination regret thoughts taking over my life. Saw GP today who suggested coming of hrt altogether as she said my body may not be reafy for it as still producing some hormones. I am so tired from the lack of sleep and so scared

My yoga and mindfulness didn’t help me at all, similar with my friend who’s in peri at the moment.

You describe how I felt on utrogestan.

My happy place ended up as 100mcg oestrogen patch and a mirena coil. No horrible progesterone going into my system and wiping me out every day.

Really surprised GP told you to stop. My private gynae said the younger women start HRT the higher the dose of oestrogen they tend to need. I started at 44 and was on 100mcg within 4 months and mirena coil fitted at 6 months.

I don't have crashing anxiety or wake in the night. In fact I sleep as well as I did pre children now that I have vaginal oestrogen which means I don't need to wee at night anymore.

Thank you everyone, I know I cant go in like this thats for sure! I ned to be a decent wife/mum/teacher and cant if i am having panic attacks and doom thoughts. I did read that changing the deluvery method to oatch or vaginal might help and i did ask about this. I have a hrt review with the nurse on wednesday so will keep that and see if they say something diffeerent to the GP. Thank you all again

@Moveyourbleedingarse , vaginal oestrogen is bloody marvellous, isn't it? I was getting up 4-5 times a night and weeing loads in the day as well. Now I'm only up once in the night and can go a couple of hours quite comfortably during the day without weeing

I don't get up at all in the night now! Ever. And even if I wake up with dogs or DH I can ignore even the thought of a wee and just fall asleep again.

Literally miracle cream.

Hi op. Vaginal progesterone made no difference to me at all. Mirena saved my sanity.

Are you using HRT as well?

I've never said yoga etc is the answer, just maybe a helpful thing to try as well as HRT- can't make anyone worse.

Don’t take anti depressants. I had issues on utrogestin it is notorious for causing anxiety. If you are peri you should only be on it 12 days a month. ( I was wrongly given it daily and then ended up on antidepressants which is another type of he’ll). Check out menopause matters online . Some people use utrogestin vaginally to minimise anxiety. Good luck

Thats really interesting. I was in utrogestin 11 days a month and the estrogel every day. I have thought about a mirena too, just really nervous about anything hormonal at the moment!

I said that. It took 6 weeks to settle - someone on here compared it to an new battery that was full. Sore breaats, exhaustion, emotional volatility. Then boom. Calm. Total calm.

Yes but wasn’t then.

Many do use 4, it’s very dependent on the person.

I thought I was losing my mind. Dr put me on antidepressants.

I had those symptoms before going on HRT and it helped (patches). Definitely ask for a review.

How do you work out how many pumps you need? And if you were on patch before is it same as eg 1 pump 1 tablet?

My close friend is struggling through peri, thinks she can’t take HRT due to breast cancer in family, doesn’t want anti depressants, in very toxic workplace and on supplements for menopause/hormones. Used to do yoga, run but given up recently and stays home mostly with the cat. I don’t know what to advise her. Even her art which she used to like she’s stopped now. She’s very up and down, crying a lot. I did recommend a private menopause specialist.

My best friend had extreme rage at work (toxic place) for a year.

The one thing I really found which helped is talking to other women about the symptoms. So many of us suffer in silence. When you share symptoms and what’s worked or not life becomes easier as you’re not alone. And arranging things to enjoy eg cinema outings, coffees, walks.

Mind you I was in a new stressful job with useless induction and colleagues who were nice at interview were toxic and unfriendly once I started, and I was so stressed I cried a lot. Cried at my yoga class I went to with 2 friends after work. Horrific. Maybe anti D’s would have helped but I was put off them.

Have you had your bloods done to check thyroid - undiagnosed hypothyroidism sent me into a deep depression despite being on HRT.

You could try Prozac eg for 6 months or and beta blockers for anxiety. Consider seeing a menopause specialist.

I’ve got an underactive thyroid (medicated) and I still got horrendous Peri symptoms. Luckily was only in mid 40s. Thyroid diagnosed at 37/38. Could’ve had it for years and mistook for severe pmt.

Sounds really rough. I had terrible vaginal atrophy (as I later discovered) that was undiagnosed. No GP at my surgery had a clue. Sent me to a gynaecologist who also had no clue. It was only my own research that enabled me to ask for estriol cream to be prescribed. I honestly thought my life was over. My mind was telling me that if I stood up my insides were going to fall out. I was paralysed with fear. Luckily I’d left my toxic workplace by then. Endless unnecessary antibiotics. Was on the phone to the GP crying. She started me on citalopram. After a wobbly few weeks I started to calm down. It was after that I asked for the estriol (I found I couldn’t tolerate the Vagifem that was first prescribed). A combination of the antidepressants and the estriol cream has saved me

Exactly. Some symptoms of menopause and hypothyroidism overlap - but if you don’t know the root cause of the symptom it can’t be treated. So if the A&D are from hypothyroidism all the HRT in the world is not going to lift it.

My story did get worse. Not going into details here and now! Trust me, I’ve found that male gps are still useless at menopause ime. Female ones slightly better. HRT seems to be a cure all. With not much discussion as to other options ime unless you ask. And don’t mention hormone supplements I tried to say I was taking those and doctor said “they don’t work”. Well they didn’t work much for me but…