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Waking up sometime after 4am, racing thoughts

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PersephoneParlormaid · 05/10/2025 18:07

Title should say ‘sometime after 4am’ !
What more can I do? I’m on HRT, taking mag glycinate, don’t drink alcohol, stopped dairy after my evening meal, have a regular sleep routine.
Im having those conversations with people/songs running through my head/worrying about things that don’t matter. Feel like I’m going mad, I just want to sleep until 6am at least.

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Do88byisfree · 06/10/2025 12:24

PersephoneParlormaid · 06/10/2025 07:34

I tried this but I found that it activated my mind, rather than soothe it, as I was thinking of words.
I try to think of nothing and visualise total blackness.

That's interesting. I do find the same but thinking of words distracts me enough from my 'to do' list and so far has stopped me from my usual night-time catastrophising...

Delatron · 06/10/2025 17:30

Does your HRT need tweaking? Do you take the progesterone before bed (this helps calm my mind)? I started on quite a low dose of oestrogen but when my 4am insomnia comes back I up the dose a bit and that solves it.

Jjaz · 10/10/2025 08:51

I'm the same. It's been a problem for about 3 years. On HRT. My employer knows about it as I worry I'll make a mistake later in the day when exhausted. I have tried several techniques to calm my racing mind, (hearing conversation / music or playing scenarios over in my head). Some of the ideas work but takes a lot of discipline: Try imagining a house you know well, (but not your own) in your head walk room to room looking in detail at all the room contents is good. (Or) Think of a 5 letter word. eg BENCH Then think of and visualise 5 things beginning with each of the letters :book ball baby etc Basically just bore yourself back to sleep. If all else fails I read my kindle- (never my phone) . I regularly fall asleep just before the 6.30 alarm - horrific. Xxxx

somethingnewandexciting · 10/10/2025 08:58

The only thing that has stopped this for me was proprananol - I used to get panic attacks though so would wake up with heart pounding then lie there feeling like my whole body was itching internally. Now I take 40mg before bed and it helps me sleep and keeps my heart rate steady at 60-63BPM (I monitor on my watch), whereas before I'd almost be getting apneoa and HR down to 40bpm then swinging wildly to 140 when I woke. Really hard to calm down from and I do think it kick starts the brain into anxiety first thing which is not good.

LamonicBibber1 · 10/10/2025 09:04

Snap! It's awful. I have had twenty + years of bad sleep, people have no idea how debilitating it is on every aspect of life.

I have the best mattress I could afford, orthopaedic pillow, cosy linen and cotton bedding, white noise machine (although I find brown noise more soothing so I use the deeper sounding setting). Lavender pillow spray, magnesium, the whole shebang.

Still doesn't work. I thought exercising more would help but it just makes me even more mentally"wired" (`whilst simultaneously being a zombie?!)

I think it's auDHD which isn't helping alongside peri in my case., not sure if that applies to you. Watching this thread through droopy eyes for any tips!

macaroonmayhem · 10/10/2025 09:09

I do alphabets, think of a topic and then do an a-z of it. So, towns of Scotland, boys names, shops - whatever. On a good night I only get to about m, on a bad night, it takes about three topics. But it shuts out the overthinking which is the thing that's keeping me away!

AutumnWreath · 10/10/2025 09:19

Had this for years and recently read about how to curb these racing thoughts .

  1. Think of a word , let's say star , star ends in an R so think of a word that starts with an R , rainy , so now a word that ends with a Y , yellow so your next word starts with a W and so on .
  1. Another way of doing it would be think of a word , we'll stick with star , this time you think of all the words you can that begin with an S before moving on to the next letter T and so on .

It really takes your mind off all those thoughts that were running in your head .
Hope it works for you .

Blarn · 10/10/2025 09:19

I have this when I'm very stressed. I've had a course of cbt recently and tried the things they suggest for getting back to sleep and the breathing techniques but they were not having any effect at all. What I have found works is telling myself it is time for sleep. So as soon as I wake up I think or say outlook that I'd is night time and I'm going back to sleep. And then every time a thought starts to enter my head I repeat that no, it's sleep time. It is like one part of my brain is interrupting the annoying part that just wants to worry! I visualise the worries, song lyrics etc stopping before they have a chance to form.

It does seem quite silly writing it down but it has honestly helped me be able to fall back to sleep.

Bluecat7 · 10/10/2025 21:46

calm app works - I use the background noise ones - rain falling etc rather than anyone talking.

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