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Would you take HRT when you have no menopause adverse issues?

64 replies

PilatesPeach · 07/05/2022 19:10

My last period was 8 years ago. I had one bad year with sweats, flushes, aching joints and some anxiety but I feel really well as I am. I am a normal weight, I run, do weights, yoga and pilates. I sleep well. Am happy enough. I take a daily sage tablet which means no flushes and my hair and skin is good. Some vaginal dryness but can use some lubricant for sex. My GP recommends that I start HRT for the preventative benefits - he says it will prevent osteoporosis. reduce stroke and heart disease risk by around a third, eliminate brain fog (I don't actually have this anyway). He says I may have some bleeding on it which would really bother me as I have none currently and don't want to start that again and that I may find my breasts are sore/swollen which again I never had when I had my periods.

I am loathe to start something when I feel fine. Any advice please? thanks so much

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JinglingHellsBells · 08/05/2022 14:27

@sorrynotathome No.

Did you miss the quote where Prof John Stevenson says exercise and diet are not enough?

And women runners often lack estrogen if they over-exercise ( athletes - as periods can stop.)

VintageGibbon · 08/05/2022 14:33

If you are regularly weightlifting, I'd have thought that is the best antidote to osteoporosis.

I've never taken HRT. I had terrible meno symptoms when I was perimenopausal but didn't realise that's what they were as I was still so regularl. As soon as menopause hit, the symptoms vanished, and apart from the very occasional hot flush, bout of insomnia and raised anxiety levels, all of which I can handle, I feel better now than I did for years. Not going anywhere near HRT unless I have to, as I have two friends who had seriously bad adverse reactions to it.

PilatesPeach · 08/05/2022 15:38

Yes over exercising can contribute to osteoporosis as can not exercising - but I don't over exercise I never lost periods from my exercise I am a fitness professional and well understand the difference. Not sure how any impression of over exercise could be formed from the information I have given.

This was meant to be a general conversation I was just hoping we would chat and exchange ideas.

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PilatesPeach · 08/05/2022 15:39

ps am not an athelete 😆

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WombatChocolate · 08/05/2022 16:05

I’m on HRT. I had some limited symptoms and decided I’d like to get rid of them. An added advantage for me was the long term benefits for bone health etc.

If I’d had zero symptoms, I dont think I’d have gone on it purely for the long term benefits.

It might well be that in the future it is standard practice for GPs to advise 45+ to go on HRT because the long term benefits become better understood, as well as the cost savings in the long term for the NHS. I suppose it might be viewed rather in the way we do vaccinations - not necessarily delivering a short term advantage or even to all, but very much as a preventative long term strategy.

I don’t feel we are there yet with HRT. Most people feel they only want to regularly take something that requires a prescription if they need it and have a short term problem. The drug/whatever it is seems serious if it’s not available over the counter and requires a prescription. Most people prefer to limit what they take to the absolutely necessary, and if they don’t have a short term need, it’s much harder for people to get their heads round the long term benefit, especially if there are also some risks associated with the product.

So this is a headspace thing and in my view, it’s a marketing and provision issue for government to get their heads round.

If the medical establishment is at a point of thinking that the risks of HRT are low enough and the benefits of HRT in the long term, that the vast majority of women should be on it as a matter of course from middle age, they need a HUGE campaign to get the message across. It needs to be available in the same way you’d get vitamins or something that needs to be easy access, rather than in a way which suggests it is a medicine or needs extremely careful management.

The thing is, the jury is still out in aspects of it and it’s not totally straightforward. There are some risks, albeit low. It isn’t suitable for all women. Although there are long term proven benefits, these have to be weighed against possible risks and it be considered if for women with zero or very low menopausal symptoms, if those benefits only seen into the long term, outweigh the possible risks. It’s tricky and not straightforward.

I think for these reasons it needs to remain as it is. It does need to be prescribed and not over the counter, because each woman is different. Some shouldn’t have it. Some have risk factors which mean certain types and very much better for them. It needs review so that the fact women respond differently can be considered in terms of long term administration.

Probably what is needed is the following and what’s been campaigned for over a period of time;


  • more training for GPs so they understand the risks to certain women, the benefits available from it and the different types with the +/- of each.

  • An opportunity for all women to have a health review at a certain key point (flexible to reflect women hit peri at different stages) where symptoms of peri and menopause are explained, each women’s health discussed and pros and cons of HRT covered, with literature given and a chance for women to return when they’ve given it thought or when it seems relevant to them and their bodies.

I think it’s all about information gaps. GPs have information gaps and lots of women do too. I’d never known anything about menopause until my late 40s and the GPs I’ve spoken to know some stuff but have lots of gaps. I know more now than them when I go on a call because I’ve plugged my information gap with lots of reading. However, they retain the medical knowledge I lack…of course.

In the end, every woman needs to make a decision for herself. It will always be based on incomplete and imperfect information. However, given more and better information, women are more able to make that choice and to feel more in control of it. The problem currently is that there isn’t enough information and lots of women don’t know anything about it all and will remain in the dark.

When we faced AIDS in the 1980s a massive information campaign helped plug the gaps and make a real difference. This isn’t the same of course, but information is power. More research is needed and more messaging is needed so informed choices can be made.

PilatesPeach · 08/05/2022 17:13

@WombatChocolate thank you for an extremely helpful and balanced post.

I may get a private DEXA scan in the meantime.

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sorrynotathome · 08/05/2022 17:19

@JinglingHellsBells we should be careful when relying on one individual's opinion - I'm sure the Prof has good credentials but his article contains statements that are not referenced. We should also not give people the wrong impression; not all HRT is licensed for prevention and treatment of osteoporosis. Those that are, specify that they are to be used for this purpose only in women at high risk of fractures, where other first line treatments are contraindicated or not tolerated.

sorrynotathome · 08/05/2022 17:20

@PilatesPeach I think that would be a good idea - I've had a DEXA and I have normal bone density, which is reassuring as I cannot have HRT.

lljkk · 08/05/2022 17:34

Has your bone density hugely improved, @JinglingHellsBells. How much?
Nice to hear that your osteo risk profile is so much improved.

bigbluebus · 08/05/2022 17:43

I've been wondering about this too following all the recent programmes about the menopause. HRT has never been suggested to me by my GPs even though (with hindsight) the last 2 things I've seen them about were probably menopause related - although that was never mentioned. My symptoms aren't really troublesome, I exercise regularly (and have for the last 30 years) so never previously saw the need for HRT before but now I'm beginning to wonder if I should ask for it to protect bone density.

ivykaty44 · 08/05/2022 19:39

So with osteoporosis it would seem there is no exercise or diet that can combat this disease - but what about heart disease and stroke?

RitaFaircloughsWig · 08/05/2022 19:41

Subbaxeo · 08/05/2022 08:59

Why medicate if you don’t need it? But I don’t think a bunch of unqualified people on MN can answer your question-challenge your GP. But if you don’t want it, don’t have it.

We can offer however our own personal experiences and what pathways we have followed.

JinglingHellsBells · 08/05/2022 22:42

@sorrynotathome If you want to find out more about HRt and osteoporosis, there is masses online. I can't find the time doing the work for other posters simply to prove a point when it's all out there to read. If it's of personal interest to you and your own health, it's worth putting time into.

I have done it for myself for 15 years, both from a personal and professional perspective, as well as talking to many medical experts, including my meno consultant.

John Stevenson may not have credited his sources, but it's easy enough to put your query into google and find many research papers on it.

One stat is that HRT can increase bone density by 3% per year in many women.

sorrynotathome · 09/05/2022 07:27

@JinglingHellsBells I just think that where people's health is concerned it is better to be accurate. HRT manufacturers are not allowed to make the claims that you have made, because they are not supported by sufficient clinical research. Your final line includes the caveats "can" and "many" - in a world where people are happy to generalise from their n=1 experience to the entirety of the population, this language is more helpful.

MarshaBradyo · 09/05/2022 07:31

sorrynotathome · 09/05/2022 07:27

@JinglingHellsBells I just think that where people's health is concerned it is better to be accurate. HRT manufacturers are not allowed to make the claims that you have made, because they are not supported by sufficient clinical research. Your final line includes the caveats "can" and "many" - in a world where people are happy to generalise from their n=1 experience to the entirety of the population, this language is more helpful.

I’ve been trying to decide for a few months and have followed these threads for information

I still find it hard to build a picture you don’t have symptoms

is it correct to say we don’t know yet or what is it we do know for certain

JinglingHellsBells · 09/05/2022 10:25

sorrynotathome · 09/05/2022 07:27

@JinglingHellsBells I just think that where people's health is concerned it is better to be accurate. HRT manufacturers are not allowed to make the claims that you have made, because they are not supported by sufficient clinical research. Your final line includes the caveats "can" and "many" - in a world where people are happy to generalise from their n=1 experience to the entirety of the population, this language is more helpful.

@sorrynotathome It's not up to me to prove anything for you and if you have decided to take issue with factual info, what can I say? 😀 All the information is out there if you spend time reading it.

I am leaving this here not so much for your info, but for other women reading and looking for factual, medical information.

HRT is licensed for the prevention and treatment of osteoporosis.

The British Menopause Society advises it is used as first line therapy.

This is from a medical site. www.menopausematters.co.uk

HRT Preparations
Please note: Patients should consult a health professional to decide on the appropriate treatment option to be prescribed.
There is a large variation in the individual's response to different types and routes of estrogen for symptom control. The products are divided into different groups according to dose and route, but for doses, these divisions are arbitrary. Products within the same dosage group are not exactly equivalent. For each type of estrogen, the lowest dose available is included in the "Low dose" group and within each dosage group, change to a different type of estrogen may have a better effect on symptom control. The products marked in this section, are licensed for prevention and/or treatment of osteoporosis*. The wide range of types and routes of estrogen and progestogen allows flexibility and enables treatment to be individualised. Prices indicated generally represent 28 days treatment cost.

HRT for peri meno
HRT for post meno

And from the British Menopause Society
thebms.org.uk/publications/consensus-statements/prevention-and-treatment-of-osteoporosis-in-women/

Summary practice points



  • HRT reduces the risk of both spine and hip as well as other osteoporotic fractures.


  • Oestrogen remains the treatment of choice for osteoporosis prevention in menopausal women, and especially in those with premature ovarian insufficiency.

  • Bisphosphonates are effective for treatment of established osteoporosis, reducing both spine and hip fractures.

  • Bisphosphonates have a very long skeletal retention time and hence should be used with caution in younger postmenopausal women (e.g. those aged below 65 years).

  • Denosumab is an effective treatment for reducing spine and hip fractures in osteoporotic women.

  • Denosumab should be avoided in women with increased susceptibility to infections.

  • There may be an increased risk of fractures after denosumab discontinuation.

  • Provision of adequate dietary or supplemental calcium and vitamin D is a part of osteoporosis management

  • The effects of calcium and vitamin D supplements alone on fracture reduction however, are contradictory and may depend on the study population

JinglingHellsBells · 09/05/2022 10:28

HRT preparations (from the Menopause Matters website)

The products marked * in this section

ALL HRT with an asterisk is available as treatment/ prevention for osteo.

Mitch238 · 11/05/2022 09:02

I've been reading posts regarding evoril conti patches,and havnt read a good thing about it. I've been on this hrt for over a year without any problems till March . Had a bleed which lasted 17 days.. can you just stop using patches???

OchonAgusOchonOh · 11/05/2022 09:09

I started on HRT 5 months ago for exactly those reasons. My GP isn't the biggest fan but prescribed it no problem. She did say that the main loss in bone density happens in the first 5 years post menopause so as I am already 3 years post-menopause, I won't be getting the best benefits there.

The one thing I have noticed is my pelvic floor muscles are much stronger than they were. I plan on staying on it for that benefit alone.

lljkk · 11/05/2022 10:18

main loss in bone density happens in the first 5 years post menopause

oh yeah, I can find lots of info about that online. Although in some calculations the loss looks more purely linear than convex decline.

But now I feel depressed that I am failing to get (young adult) DD to build up her bone density now. Irk. :(

Torres10 · 13/05/2022 12:53

I have been on hrt for 5 years. I have had 2 dexa scans in that time, my bone density score has improved..so on my sample size of 1, I am sticking with it. I have always exercised etc so hrt is the only change other than my age :)

HelenHywater · 13/05/2022 12:58

I'm in a similar situation. I did go on it for a few months and had weight gain which I couldn't lose. Came off and lost that weight within a couple of weeks. I didn't feel any different on HRT and I have no symptoms of (peri) menopause.

I will probably re-try it at some stage for the longer term benefits, but just don't want the weight gain.

Marytherose · 13/05/2022 21:11

Just on the osteoporosis/bone density point :
Around 7 years after my last period I thought I had got through the menopause without too many symptoms and was feeling ok. Seemed to be generally healthy and enjoyed lots of walking.

But, after a minor accident when out walking one day I sustained a fractured ankle and my GP then referred me for a Dexa scan. To my absolute horror this showed me to be borderline for osteoporosis.

Luckily I had an enlightened GP and we agreed I would try HRT for a few years to help my bones. Now 9 years later I’ve since had 2 further Dexa scans and each time my bone density scores have noticeably improved.

I know this is a case history of one so doesn’t prove anything, but I’m intending to carry on with the HRT long term!

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/05/2022 21:11

No.

Mitch238 · 18/05/2022 23:12

How does this website work? Ha🤪