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Women who eat healthily do not suffer with the menopause!

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RedPandaWanda · 14/01/2022 09:49

This is what I was told by a naturopath.
I went to her for help with my awful Perimenopause symptoms and ongoing digestive issues.
I have been going round and round in circles with the GPs at my practice, endless telephone appointments to only be told to take antidepressants. I am told I am not in peri as I have a regular cycle and no day time hot sweats although they totally disregard all of my other peri symptoms (I am almost 49 have ongoing anxiety, anger, depression, no libido and vaginal dryness, broken sleep, itchy skin, exhaustion, awful heavy periods, night sweats before period, awful pmt, breast tenderness...........)
So I found this naturopath online, she said she specialised in gut issues and hormonal problems.
She had said she will take onboard all of my health issues and devise a bespoke plan for me.
Said ‘plan’ is basically warm lemon water in the morning, eggs for breakfast and I am to eat at least 7 vegetables per day. Epsom salt baths too. She also wants me to purchase £100 worth of various supplements. If I do this within 4 weeks I will feel like a different woman apparently.
She then went on to say that women who eat like this do not suffer from the menopause at all.
I already eat fairly well, I don’t drink or smoke, I exercise every day, have a bmi of 20 etc and still have all of these peri symptoms even after being on the ‘plan’ for over a month.
Of course it goes without saying the healthier your lifestyle the healthier you will feel. Obviously living off takeaways and junk food won’t help peri symptoms but surely it’s just not as simplistic as eating like this, is it?
I feel like a complete mug with £200 down the drain which I couldn’t really afford in the first place, urgh!

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Coyoacan · 14/01/2022 12:23

What a shame. I have seen amazing cures with naturopathy, but would only go to one that was strongly recommended.

An elderly friend of mine has hands knarled with arthritis that she had in her youth. The arthritis was cured by naturopathy when she was about 45, though the danger was not undone.

However the naturopathy that cured her entailed vegetarianism and cold showers, among other things

NearlyAHoarder · 14/01/2022 12:29

Not surprised you feel robbed. I'm 51 and I eat v low carb and fast occasionally but despite the EVANGELISTS on the various facebook groups I'm in, low carb and fasting hasn't healing my receding gums and I do still have hot flushes, not too bad, but terrible insomnia and headaches regularly.

RedPandaWanda · 14/01/2022 13:40

Thank you. This has made me feeling a little better. I’ve just had enough of feeling like absolute crap for the last few years and having my pleas for help falling on deaf ears.
A classic example is from this morning. I’ve been under gynae for several years re: the heavy periods. I’ve had lots of tests etc. Polyps found and removed several times yet still suffering. Saw a gynaecologist a few months ago, she seemed fab and agreed to me having an ablation to hopefully stop my periods and ease the anaemia I have. I called the secretary this morning to find out how long the waiting list is only to discover the gynaecologist had forgot to do my referral so I’ll now have to start from scratch. I’ve honestly had nothing but issues with the NHS hence the reason I turned to an alternative source for my health, don’t really know what I was expecting just needed someone to listen and help.
My gp appointment on Monday is with a doctor I have only spoken to once before but she did seem quite good so am pinning my hopes on this appointment, I will explain my symptoms in details and ask for hrt, if she refuses I will ask for an explanation as to why not?

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WhereAreWeNow · 14/01/2022 15:22

Oh God. I feel for you OP. I would feel a bit mugged. I eat healthily (vegetarian, lots of veg and pulses, low dairy, no alcohol, various supplements.... Maybe too much sugar) but feel awful with peri. Much like you describe. I had a regular cycle and no hot flushes so GP wasn't convinced at first but I persisted and eventually she gave me mirena + estrogen. It's not a miracle cure but I do feel so much better.
Keep trying with the GP and forget about the naturopath.
Good luck

WhereAreWeNow · 14/01/2022 15:25

Agree @GoGoGretaDoll. The Japanese example is interesting and maybe there is something in the soy isoflavones/fish/low alcohol diet. But, like you, I do wonder how these studies take account of cultural and social factors like how socially acceptable it is to talk about or complain about "women's issues".

Oblomov22 · 14/01/2022 15:31

Why are you so passé about this all. Stand up for yourself and go and speak to another GP. Or make a complaint to the practice manager, And tell the practice manager that this is very poor practice for menopause and you have all the classic symptoms and should've been offered HRT a long time ago. Not offered AD's!

Almostwelsh · 14/01/2022 15:38

Well I have not had a single hot flush or night sweat, I'm now fully menopausal and my diet, while not terrible contains sugar and McDonald's. She's talking shit. It's mostly luck. And even without many symptoms, I've started taking HRT to protect my bones, prescribed by my regular GP, your GP should prescribe it.

Blinkingbatshit · 14/01/2022 15:43

@RedPandaWanda just wondering - what are your digestive symptoms/issues? …..you’ve made me wonder if mine might be peri related🤔!

RedPandaWanda · 14/01/2022 16:25

WhereAreWeNow how did you get along with the Mirena? It was offered to me but because of some of the horror stories I opted for the ablation instead but no upon hearing today the gynaecologist cocked up and hasn’t done the referral it could be up to a years wait. Wondering if I should try the coil but scared I’ll end up with even more horrid physical symptoms on top of my current ones!
Blinkingbatshit I have quite a few but they do seem quite tied in with my cycle. I have lots of gurgling/growlings in my gut, very gassy (up and down), alternative constipation/diarrhoea, bloating in the evenings (again very gassy/farting). All much worse the week before and during period and then awful nausea, acid indigestion and burping a full week or so mid cycle - deep joy!

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RedPandaWanda · 14/01/2022 16:26

Blinkingbatshit should add that all these digestive issues have been worse since I hit 45.

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Pashazade · 14/01/2022 16:37

RedPanda fill this out and take it with you. Hope you get somewhere this time.

menopausesupport.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/MENOPAUSE-SYMPTOM-CHECKER.pdf

Helenahandkart · 14/01/2022 16:37

If you get chance have a read of the NICE guidelines prior to your GP appointment. I’m pretty sure they say that GPS should not prescribe antidepressants for menopause symptoms. Hopefully if you have the guidelines with you, you can gently persuade them to take you seriously. It’s so frustrating to waste the little money you have on quack doctors. I’ve done it myself, so I know how hopeless you feel. Good luck with the GP.

RedPandaWanda · 14/01/2022 16:45

Pashazade they are still only doing telephone appointments at my surgery (🙄) but I will definitely print it off and reel off those I suffer from (which is actually 28 out of those 33!).
Helenahandkart thanks, I will definitely do that before Monday.

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WhereAreWeNow · 14/01/2022 17:17

The mirena has been good for me @RedPandaWanda. Insertion was uncomfortable and I've had spotting but it's completely sorted my heavy, painful periods which I felt were draining the life out of me! I was worried about the horror stories too. I think it's not for everyone and there's probably a bit of luck involved but for me (and lots of women) it's been great. I recommend getting it fitted at a sexual health clinic rather than GP. They have a lot more experience so are less likely to mess it up!

RedPandaWanda · 14/01/2022 17:22

WhereAreWeNow I think I would prefer spotting to the 4 days a month where I’m housebound and the bathroom represents the Chainsaw Massacre! I just need to pluck up the courage to have it worried about getting it out if it doesn’t suit me. Will definitely get the gynae department or another clinic to deal with it, I don’t particularly trust my GP with that task!

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wonderstuff · 14/01/2022 17:23

NRWT, but I’m so angry for you, and for all of us, lack of care from GP has pushed you, and countless others to snake oil salesmen. Actually it’s not just the GP care that’s the problem it’s the complete lack of research and treatment for something that affects millions and millions of women.

I have nothing useful to add I’m afraid Flowers

gogohm · 14/01/2022 17:24

She's neither right or wrong. A healthy diet helps, having the right vitamins and minerals helps (doesn't need to be through supplements if you eat right) plus exercise can enable many women to manage menopause without drugs but if it isn't working for you and you cannot manage life with the symptoms go to the gp and get hrt. My practice nurse is helping me manage without drugs (my preference) but it's clear that the option of hrt is on the table. I had a mirena fitted (for bc) and it really lessened the symptoms so I think that's why I'm coping better than 2 years ago

Eddielzzard · 14/01/2022 17:28

I am angry on your behalf. How dare they belittle your symptoms?! Please tell the naturopath her plan didn't work and ask her if she really thinks your healthy lifestyle is causing your symptoms? People should be challenged on this shit.

WhereAreWeNow · 14/01/2022 17:44

Yes @RedPandaWanda, I'll take the spotting any day! Heavy periods, flooding, and cramps are no joke. I just felt it was getting worse with every cycle and like my PMT was getting worse and lasting longer. What used to be a week of feeling a bit weepy and moody had turned into 2 weeks of rage, insomnia, depression, and paranoia, sore swollen breasts. Followed by a week of heavy, painful bleeding. I basically had one good week a month!
On the mirena and estrogen patches I don't have any of the period woes and my mood is on a far more even keel.
Good luck Flowers
Oh, and don't beat yourself up over the wasted money. No point crying over spilt milk. It's easy to get sold snake oil when it's so hard to get help from your GP.

flippertyop · 14/01/2022 18:02

They are quacks believe me. I know someone who killed themselves as a result of the bollocks they spout. Keep away

RedPandaWanda · 14/01/2022 18:04

WhereAreWeNow what you have described is exactly where I am right now with my symptoms. I definitely need to explore the mirena option as part of my hrt.

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RedPandaWanda · 14/01/2022 18:06

Eddielzzard I am going to have to say something, she really was horrendously pushy and in hindsight I should have challenged her at the time but sadly I had already paid in advance.
flippertyop that’s just awful.

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flippertyop · 14/01/2022 19:07

Yes - they told him them they had all sorts of shit. No medical training. Convinced him he was beyond help. He had nothing wrong with him at all as proven by the autopsy. Bloody awful. If I'd been the family I would have sued her

RedPandaWanda · 17/01/2022 13:17

Just a little update.
I spoke to my gp today. Embarrassed to say that I actually ended up blubbing which I never do but I am just so fed up with my health issues. The GP was lovely but when I asked if my issues could be caused by perimenopause she said maybe then said she could offer me HRT but in her opinion it won’t address all my issues so she would prefer to prescribe me Duloxetine. I said I’d prefer to try the HRT but she told me to at least try the antidepressants for a few months 🤷‍♀️

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Shehasadiamondinthesky · 17/01/2022 13:22

@Coyoacan

What a shame. I have seen amazing cures with naturopathy, but would only go to one that was strongly recommended.

An elderly friend of mine has hands knarled with arthritis that she had in her youth. The arthritis was cured by naturopathy when she was about 45, though the danger was not undone.

However the naturopathy that cured her entailed vegetarianism and cold showers, among other things

Another thing I researched. Veganism does indeed make a difference to the progression of rheumatoid arthritis but only slightly and not as much as biologic medication. But good as a secondary lifestyle - but menopause....no. All the research is out there. I'd research before spending hundreds of pounds on anything.