Menopace and thyroxine ?

[GoodnightGrandma]

Is it ok to take both as the Menopace has iodine in it ?

Anyone ?

How much iodine?

225ug which it says is 150% of the Nutrient Reference Value. I’m assuming that’s like the suggested daily intake.

Why are you on thyroxine, is it hypothyroidism or have you had a partial or full thyroidectomy?

You don't need much iodine if on thyroxine as it has iodine it it and you've no thyroid function. Iodine is needed for the thyroid to actually make thyroid hormones.

A little in a multi vit would be ok. We get it from dairy, some fish and eggs. However from Google that's quite a high dose so I'd be cautious. Not sure which one you're taking though or if it varies between the products.

Don't take soy near thyroxine.

Sorry cross post

“ Don't take soy near thyroxine.”

Why is this?

I know not to take vit D within 4 hours but not soy.

I’m on it for hypothyroid.
The Menopace is for nutritional support in menopause, so that’s why I started taking it.
The box says it has ‘dietary levels of soya isoflavones’

It’s Menopace original.

I was taking 100 rda when breastfeeding in a multi vit as you do need more, and which was fine. I'm now taking a multi vit with 40% in but also have reduced my dairy considerably. There's much more iodine in dairy in the winter too.

A friend is on the U.K. iodine group (researches it) she said a little is good for general health but I think I'd personally be cautious taking that much, but we don't know how much we get from food. The U.K. doesn't add iodine whereas the US does.

You could contact the btf as I know they're good on this area. They'd probably be cautious though.

Vegetarians and vegans are at risk of iodine deficiency so if you're either it's probably ok.

(Sorry, complicated answer!)

Don't take soy near thyroxine.

It's possible it interferes with absorption.

So if I take my thyroxine in the morning, and this in the evening, that’s ok ?

www.btf-thyroid.org/thyroid-and-diet-factsheet

@GoodnightGrandma

So if I take my thyroxine in the morning, and this in the evening, that’s ok ?

I actually don't know, when I really looked into it re soya milk i decided it wasn't a big deal with the amounts in that. But I tend to only have that after lunch.

I do feel the BTF could do with providing more info on all this.

This is where I've gone with all this:

Btf:
If you are taking levothyroxine for hypothyroidism (underactive thyroid) or for a goitre (thyroid swelling) there is no need to take iodine supplements.

There no need.

It's an actual issue for hyper thyroidism.

BDA link not working, this is it: www.bda.uk.com/resource/iodine.html

I preferred the old version:

www.bda.uk.com/uploads/assets/4097b9d9-1018-4dfe-aaee8d6b3205e08b/Iodine-food-fact-sheet.pdf

I'd look at your diet and make an educated guess.
It's probably ok if you're not binging on lots of dairy, haddock, seaweed and cod?!

I think you'd be ok taking it at lunchtime, Some people find b vits keep them awake. You'd need to perhaps monitor over a few months and check levels if you feel you're going hypo.

I have milk on cereal and in drinks, but that’s about it.
Thanks for that

Never heard the 4hr rule for vit D. I take my tri-iodothyronine (t3) 30 mins before breakfast and my vitD drops after.
Not just soy, but fluoride is a thyroid antagonist, too. You can get toothpaste without it, just a bit hard to find.
There are unfortunately herbal menopause remedies that you can't take with an underactive thyroid. I had HRT for less than 6 months, stopped it and never had any more problems.
There's a good US-based site used to be about-thyroid.com with a patient advocate Mary Shomon.

I know a brilliant endo, but she's near Limoges. Christie's were crap, and eventually I got a partial trial of t3/t4 at MRI, I was on nearly 300mcg/day. Now I take 75mcg/day t3 and am ok-ish. If I get stressed, I have problems and have been in hypothermia several times.

Best of luck.

@GoodnightGrandma you may want to just eat more tofu and soya beans.

www.webmd.com/women/news/20030424/does-soy-curb-hot-flashes

It was the pharmacist that told me re 4 hours. Affects absorption.
But it was high did it D

I had to exclude iodine from my diet.
It’s in so many things!
Bread, soy, dairy, fish, seaweed.

Pharmacist should be able to tell you

More info on soy, thyroxine and iodine. Mark Vanderpump used to be involved with the btf.

www.markvanderpump.co.uk/blog/posts/should-i-avoid-soy-if-i-have-hypothyroidism

4 hours is fine.

“ Parts of the medical community continue to be concerned about soy products that contain oestrogen-like chemicals and advises the avoidance of soy isoflavone supplements and of protein powders/protein bars that are made with textured vegetable protein and soy protein isolate.”

Wonder why this is the case? I was cundyferung upping my physio oestrogen today combat menopause symptoms

Oral oestrogen increases the need for thyroxine, going on the COP is what led to me becoming first very ill with hypothyroidism and then much later diagnosed when I was 20 and in a cfs like state.

I suspect there was some early illness going on beforehand. I remember having awful bouts of sweatiness in the year or two before. But who knows.

I think I read once that goitregens in animal feed have caused thyroid issues, and something to do with soy.

Pregnancy hormones can affect the thyroid; you need more thyroxine during pregnancy for baby and a healthy thyroid actually grows a little.

I've avoided tofu etc but actually just starting to think I'll try to see if it helps. From lunch onwards.

They probably* haven't researched it properly.

*definately.

But the answer is to be monitored and raise if needed. I think it's more of an issue if it's causing subclinical issues.

Apparently an obscure study tracked ovulating women on thyroxine and found tsh rises during ovulation for example.

I'm interested in all this as I was sooo badly handled when first (not)diagnosed and then again when pregnant etc. And my Gp recently said general practice isn't very good on thyroid stuff.