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The sleep thing

51 replies

gobackanddoitproperly · 26/08/2021 02:33

I would have been an Olympian swimmer, should such an event have existed. Now, I can’t remember the last time I slept through the night. I know this is part of menopause (52, no periods for 3 years now) but my question is, does anyone else experience this, in the absence of hot flushes? Just a general ‘wakefulness’ I suppose. Every night, from about 2-4 am? I do get the odd hot flush, but they’re not severe and not in the middle of the night.

I’m not on any HRT.

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ShrikeAttack · 26/08/2021 05:18

Not sure. I wake at least twice a night flushing like crazy and needing a pee. I'm convinced my full bladder heats my entire body up...

Commiserations @gobackanddoitproperly. It's rubbish.

PostMenPatWithACat · 26/08/2021 05:21

Yes. Amitryptiline 10mg on prescription helps enormously.

Volterra · 26/08/2021 05:21

Yes another one her, HRT not really helping. I read the sleeping in. 2 parts thing a few months ago which has helped me to stress about it a bit less.

Guineapigbridge · 26/08/2021 05:24

Organic cherry juice ... Just saying.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 26/08/2021 06:35

all week i have woken up at 5.20 am

SleepQuest33 · 26/08/2021 07:46

Yes! Desperate to solve this problem.
Once schools go back and I am no longer allowed to WFH I really don’t know how I’ll cope.
Awake from about 1 for 2 or 3 hours every night. I am one of those people that needs plenty of sleep to function.

Fordian · 26/08/2021 10:22

Oh yes.

I have seen 12.30am and 5.20am every night this week.

I'm 58 and on HRT.

Sadly, the only way I can guarantee a solid nights sleep is alcohol, which is hardly ideal, is it??

Oddly, though, today is a day off from work, and on Thursday mornings I generally wake, after napping from 5.20am, (or am still awake since then) with DH at 7 or 8am, then catch up on sleep til 11 or 12 noon, but despite probably having had no more than 5 or 6 hours a night sleep for days on end, though my eyes are stinging right now, I don't think I could sleep.

Admittedly, I'm a bit wired about all the things I should be doing!

I worry that reduced sleep shortens life and increases obesity, too 😔

OverByYer · 27/08/2021 08:32

Slept right through last night but did have a bottle of Chardonnay last night. I have today off and wouldn’t recommend on a school night

YeOldeTrout · 27/08/2021 20:57

Babies destroyed my sleep in early 30s & I never recovered.
it is amazing how little sleep I get by on.
I'm not tired. Just astounded.

I always had some type of insomnia, anyway.

StuntNun · 28/08/2021 06:43

I feel like the cumulative effect of months of poor sleep is destroying me. I don't have caffeine and I rarely drink alcohol. I turn off screens early and go to bed at 10 a.m. in the hope of getting eight hours sleep. I even bought a new mattress so I should be comfortable. I'm doing everything I can but I still can't stay asleep any more. I don't have any trouble getting to sleep but from 2-5 a.m. I'm frequently awake. I'm tired all the time in the day. I've been asking for HRT for over a year but the GP says I'm too young at age 45 and there's definitely no possibility of bioidentical HRT; the only thing they can offer me in the future (once I've seen a gynaecologist) is the Mirena coil. Does that even help with sleep? I'm desperate enough to try anything at this point.

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OverByYer · 28/08/2021 07:41

That’s so frustrating @StuntNun. If you have symptoms then at 45 you could definitely be peri menopausal.
I’ve been on HRT since I was 47 and should really have bitten the bullet and started sooner.
I’m sure I read somewhere that I’d you’re 45 and over and have symptoms you don’t need a blood test either. Can you see a different GP at the practice? Or afford to go to a private consultant?

Lessthanaballpark · 28/08/2021 07:50

I feel like the double sleep shift has something right because I wake between 1 and 4 then get another wave of sleep. The problem is it’s not conducive to working 9-5.

Maybe menopausal women should get special exemption to change their working hours but how would we cook dinner for our kids coming home later?

AwkwardSquad · 28/08/2021 08:01

I’ve had poor sleep for years but the sleep problems with menopause very nearly finished me off. I was waking up every hour or so, then properly awake at about 4.

Now on HRT and it’s really helping, but still get wakefulness between 3ish and 4ish. I can now get back to sleep for a bit and wake up again at 6ish, so overall it’s much better.

Thank goodness, because I was also under a lot of stress and that compounded by no sleep meant that I wasn’t far off a total breakdown.

StuntNun · 28/08/2021 08:08

Thanks for the sympathy @OverByYer. It's not just the disturbed sleep, I've been having very heavy unbelievably heavy periods with cycles from 20 to 31 days for the past two years so about every six months I get two periods in one month which just doesn't seem fair! I also get hot flushes and my libido has evaporated. And my mum had menopause at age 41 so I don't see why they think I'm too young for menopause at 45. Anyway I'm seeing the gynae on the 28th September and, fingers crossed, he'll fit a Mirena which will hopefully make some difference.

OverByYer · 28/08/2021 10:18

@StuntNun

Thanks for the sympathy *@OverByYer*. It's not just the disturbed sleep, I've been having very heavy unbelievably heavy periods with cycles from 20 to 31 days for the past two years so about every six months I get two periods in one month which just doesn't seem fair! I also get hot flushes and my libido has evaporated. And my mum had menopause at age 41 so I don't see why they think I'm too young for menopause at 45. Anyway I'm seeing the gynae on the 28th September and, fingers crossed, he'll fit a Mirena which will hopefully make some difference.
I had horrendous bleeding in my early 40s , flooding abs losing huge clots. Ended up in A&E I lost so much blood one day. It turned out I had cervical polyps. Once they were removed my periods really settled. Make sure they examine you properly. They kept trying to fob me off with Mirena but I had had it previously and didn’t get on with it. Who’d be a woman?
oneglassandpuzzled · 28/08/2021 10:22

HRT largely resolved my insomnia.

YeOldeTrout · 28/08/2021 11:38

StuntNun, your screenshot doesn't show you awake from 2-5am many nights. The fitbit thinks if you did wake up you went back to sleep quickly -- is your Fitbit wrong?

I can do a frightening screen shot if you like...

YeOldeTrout · 28/08/2021 11:55

This is what segmented sleep looks like on my Fitbit... on 3 Aug I was probably awake for a solid 2+ hours, but lying still so Fitbit recorded wrongly as sometime asleep (this can happen in daytime, too). I do a lot of editing the sleep log for the real hours I was asleep. If I can remember what was on the radio, then I wasn't asleep then, even if Fitbit thinks I was.

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SpringSparrow · 28/08/2021 12:20

My Fitbit broke so I don’t have it anymore but I used to score quite well. What I find helps me at the moment is every night I listen to a sleep story on Calm. They do have some free ones on YouTube so you can try it. I also find the Sanctuary sleep mist seems to work really well for me too.

StuntNun · 28/08/2021 17:29

Thanks @OverByYer cervical polyps sound serious! I've had an ultrasound and they're doing a biopsy next month so at least they're ruling out the dangerous stuff. I haven't used hormonal contraception since my mid-20s so it seems reasonable to give it a shot I suppose.

That's good to know, @oneglassandpuzzled may I ask which HRT meds helped you?

I'm not sure about the Fitbit @YeOldeTrout but when I'm awake I usually lie in the same position reading my Kindle so I don't know whether it picks that up as awake time or not. I keep it under my pillow so I don't move much to pull it out and start reading. I've always needed a lot of sleep so I really need the eight hours to be able to function, even more during the middle of winter. Whereas my DH can happily get by on six hours per night.

oneglassandpuzzled · 28/08/2021 17:47

I’m on oestrogel and a mirena coil.

StuntNun · 28/08/2021 18:27

Thanks @oneglassandpuzzled so there's hope for the rest of us then!

oneglassandpuzzled · 28/08/2021 22:16

I know it doesn’t help everyone but it’s been good for me. Best of luck!

cocktailclub · 28/08/2021 22:37

Yep. Get off to sleep then I'm wide awake for hours. Tingling hands and feet as well as mind racing. About 2pm I feel so tired I literally fall asleep at my desk.

Gonnagetgoing · 30/08/2021 12:45

I’ve had sleep issues throughout peri menopause and menopause - think I’m inbetween at almost 50.

Funnily enough a good friend a couple of years old told me when I was late 30s, you’ll sleep a lot more in your early 40s (peri) and I did, could sleep for Britain! Then suddenly a few years later got insomnia and hot flushes and it’s getting to sleep that is the issue as well as waking.

I find a good routine helps, eg working and also walking and other exercise. I have just tried Floradix Magnesium liquid and Better You Magnesium Body Butter which I think I prefer to their nighttime spray which I found had a stinging after effect. Factor in back issues (WFH) which I’m going to Pilates classes for and sleep can be hard to come by.

I do like a routine of relaxing tv, book, camomile tea about 1-2 hours before bed which does help.