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HRT help - cannot take progesterone due to the side effects

41 replies

Monr0e · 06/06/2021 21:56

I'm 46 and started on hrt patches in January mainly due to the horrific night sweats I was suffering.

They have helped enormously with this however the progesterone tablets I have to take alongside are causing awful side effects, mainly anxiety, migraines and nausea, to the point I would rather suffer the night sweats.

Can anyone recommend anything that might help instead? I have spent most of the weekend wiped out with another migraine and can't function whilst taking the tablets.

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JinglingHellsBells · 08/06/2021 08:46

I discussed using vaginally with my private consultant but he said no as I'm on too high a dose of estrogen - 75 micrograms.

Why would he say that @Rina66 ?

It's supposed to be more effective when used vaginally! (They think it's similar to using double the dose orally.) Instead of some being lost in digestion it goes straight to the uterus via the cervix.

Is he a menopause specialist?

Rina66 · 08/06/2021 08:51

He is @JinglingHellsBells, based in Harley Street, but I'm losing faith, Dr Newsom speaks far more sense and is much cheaper too! I agree with you, I listen to podcasts, read articles, love Dr Newsom and Dr Naomi Potter who both advocate the use of Utrogestan vaginally, hence the reason I'm defecting!

somethingischasingme · 08/06/2021 08:53

I hate progesterone but I can take utrogestan for 10 days in 28. I take it at night and I am on anti ds. I think you need to find what works for you but pps are correct- the progesterone is to protect your womb and is a vital part of the therapy.

JinglingHellsBells · 08/06/2021 08:57

@Rina66

He is *@JinglingHellsBells*, based in Harley Street, but I'm losing faith, Dr Newsom speaks far more sense and is much cheaper too! I agree with you, I listen to podcasts, read articles, love Dr Newsom and Dr Naomi Potter who both advocate the use of Utrogestan vaginally, hence the reason I'm defecting!
@Rina66 PM me who it is! (I know [of] quite a few there.)
Rina66 · 08/06/2021 09:07

Sorry @JinglingHellsBells
I'm using the Mumsnet app on my phone, how do I PM you?

JinglingHellsBells · 08/06/2021 09:29

@Rina66

Sorry *@JinglingHellsBells* I'm using the Mumsnet app on my phone, how do I PM you?
Hmmm. I don't use the app! :) On a pc, you go to My Mumsnet and there is a Messages tab which takes you to your in and out box.
JinglingHellsBells · 08/06/2021 09:30

I've sent you a message so maybe you can see it and reply? @Rina66

bobsgirl · 08/06/2021 21:17

@JinglingHellsBells Thanks for the reply, very interesting re vaginal use of progesterone
A friend of mine was under Nick Panay for PMDD so I have heard a lot about him, very highly regarded

As you clearly know a lot about this, do you have a view on post-menopausal women with no symptoms now feeling concerned about not being on HRT? I was chatting with friends last week and a couple mentioned this concern, they do not really want to start medication even though the risks are very low as they have no symptoms but are frightened by some practitioners suggesting HRT is essential for long term health

JinglingHellsBells · 09/06/2021 07:54

[quote bobsgirl]@JinglingHellsBells Thanks for the reply, very interesting re vaginal use of progesterone
A friend of mine was under Nick Panay for PMDD so I have heard a lot about him, very highly regarded

As you clearly know a lot about this, do you have a view on post-menopausal women with no symptoms now feeling concerned about not being on HRT? I was chatting with friends last week and a couple mentioned this concern, they do not really want to start medication even though the risks are very low as they have no symptoms but are frightened by some practitioners suggesting HRT is essential for long term health[/quote]
@bobsgirl Interesting points - I'll answer and hope it won't get too mixed up with the progesterone question here.

to answer your questions...I think it 'depends'.

It's interesting that some of your friends have very pro-HRT GPs as so many women here can't get it for love nor money from their GP.

The best drs take an individualised approach looking at each woman's risk of other diseases and family history, so it's not one size fits all.

Women who have an early-ish menopause ( some drs consider 47 and younger as early) should (IMO) definitely use it for some time. Other women...it depends. It certainly reduces the risk of bone loss (which affects 1 in 2 women aged over 50), heart disease and bowel cancer and they think it protects against dementia.

So if I had parents/grandparent with any of those at a young age, or who'd died early from one of them, I'd be probably be taking it.

A bone density scan in your early 50s to see the base line for bone health can help make a decision around that.

I think it's important not to think of modern HRT as medication as the clue is in the name 'Replacement'. And a lot of women who don't or won't use HRT end up on medication with much worse risks and side effects - ADs, drugs for osteoporosis, high BP, heart disease etc.

In an interview, Nick Panay is asked if he would prescribe HRT for women with no symptoms who wanted it for long term health and he says 'Yes' having told them of the small risks.

There are lots of Youtube interviews with him where some of this is discussed and a podcast on Liz Earle Wellbeing site where she talks to him on it all.

Rina66 · 09/06/2021 21:20

Ladies, if you're interested, Lisa Snowdon has done an IGTV tonight with Dr Naomi Potter on HRT and specifically using progesterone vaginally.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CP6OwXHKt93/?utmmedium=copyy_link

Rina66 · 16/06/2021 08:24

Can anyone tell me please, who is taking the oral progesterone capsules vaginally, if your using one or two of the 100mg capsules? I'm going to experiment 😬

BigButtons · 16/06/2021 08:34

I have 2 days left if using 2 caps vaginally. It’s doing my head and body in this month though. I have had awful cramps and pmt since I started taking them and stomach is swollen.
I am going to try just one tab for 12 days vaginally next month and see if that helps.

Rina66 · 16/06/2021 08:47

Thank you @BigButtons, so if they don't get you mentally by mouth, they get you physically? Let's hope the massive publicity surrounding menopause now leads to an advance in the treatment of it.

BigButtons · 16/06/2021 11:29

@Rina66
If I take it orally the side effects are worse and I tend to get bleeding before I finish the course.
Vaginally that doesn’t often happen but the physically aide effects can still be unpleasant.

BigButtons · 17/06/2021 22:59

Actually am on day 11 and I can’t do another day. My stomach is so swollen I look about 5 months pregnant. I feel shit. I do hate progesterone.

BarkingUpTheWrongRoseBush · 17/06/2021 23:04

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