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Menopause starting rather abruptly...

10 replies

neva · 04/07/2012 20:16

I'm 50. No period for 8 weeks. Up until my last period, they were pretty regular and I had no obvious signs of impending menopause.

I had about 7 days of unpleasant symptoms; feeling hot, tingly, weeping. But have felt OK for the last fortnight.

Is this normal? I always thought menopause would happen 'gradually' with gaps between periods getting longer, for example...

And do symptoms come and go?

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Ameliagrey · 04/07/2012 23:04

Well, it is happening gradually- you have missed your first period!

Most likely that they will come and go with either longer or shorter cycles.

Some women's periods come and go, others ( rarely) stop overnight.

Everyone is different.

Sounds like you have had a "cycle" with bad PMT but no actual bleeding- very common.

crazynanna · 04/07/2012 23:08

My disappeared in November for 90 days

They are now back with a fucking vengence as regular as clockwork. Bastards.

Bellaciao · 04/07/2012 23:22

Actually most of us who are post-meno regret the time we had periods - during the peri-menopause and the transition stage the meno symptoms come and go as do the periods. Often what happens is ( what happened with me and I know many others) - periods stop and you think great! Then the overheating begins and then the flushes. I rushed off to get black cohosh and eat linseed to help and after 3 months the flushes stopped and I thought brilliant - I've breezed through it, simple! Good for natural remedies!

Then of course the periods re-started - it was nothing to do with the cohosh and the menopausal stage wasn't over. It was simply that my oestrogen levels had risen and so the menopausal symptoms ceased.

Later when the periods stopped for longer - 5 months - the symptoms came back with a vengeance and I have (thankfully) been on HRT more or less ever since - 5 years. Now 59 and don't intend to stop!

Don't wish away your periods! Oestrogen deficiency as in the post-meno phase of life is far worse and is with you for life - at least you still have a cycle and high oestrogen!

Bellaciao · 04/07/2012 23:22

PS even at age 59 I am choosing to have a cycle - and a bleed -every 2 months - that is how much I value it!

NicolasGirl · 04/07/2012 23:33

OP. my symptoms have been identical to yours . I was due 3 weeks ago and for the first time ever (apart from pregnancy) i have missed a period. Instead hot flushes, feeling low and vague period pain

V disconcerting. Sad

Janni · 04/07/2012 23:56

I'm 47 and have experienced exactly what you describe. In addition to a delightful breast cyst that needed draining and was, apparently, due to hormonal changes.

Ameliagrey · 05/07/2012 07:59

Bellaciao - love your name!
A few questions- not about me personally but for the benefit of other women here-because I've seen posts here on this:

How have you convinced or whatever, your dr to allow you to carry on with HRT long term? Many women here report GPs not allowing them to carry on after 5 years due to risks.

Why do you choose to have a bleed preparation when at your age most drs would go for a non bleed one.

How do you square the risk of breast cancer with longer term on HRT with the benefits?

Bellaciao · 05/07/2012 14:26

Hi Ameliagray
Well the issues are rather complex but my lovely female GP (NHS) is happy for me to make my own decision as long as I am aware of the risks, and for me as for many women, the benefits outweigh the risks - which seem to be very small. As I am sure you aware there are many of us who are better informed about all the issues than our GPs - because they are just that - General Practitioners.

I have read up a lot about it - well a little compared to experts - but from what I can ascertain the latest thinking is that risks of using HRT are no greater than being inactive, obese/overweight or drinking alcohol.

Members would benefit from reading the latest statement from the International Menopause Society which reports the recent re-examination of the Women's Health Initiative Study - the one that caused the furore and led to many women coming off HRT and doctors refusing to prescribe it. These results - how they were orginally interpreted - have been shown to be flawed and the latest report is a series of paper reviewing the position of HRTY 10 years after this study.

Here is the link:
www.imsociety.org/pdf_files/comments_and_press_statements/ims_press_statement_22_05_12.pdf

Breat cancer
This is what the summary of the paper re breast cancer has to say:

"Breast cancer There is an increase in breast cancer with E+P HRT, but this is small. It has alsobeen exaggerated by press reports, causing fear in many women. They conclude that large numbers of women with substantial menopausal symptoms and low breast cancer risk will benefit from HRT use"

There was an artcile in the Daily Mail about it:
www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2147835/A-wasted-decade-How-HRT-scare-caused-thousands-women-10-years-needless-suffering.html

Much of the work in any case involved oral oestrogen - and conjugated equine oestrogens, and a synthetic progestin. Results obtained cannot be generalised to all HRT types and modes of delivery. There seems to be general consensus that for many health conditions transdermal bio-identical oestrogen ( ie patch or gel) combined with bio-identical progesterone provides the route least likely to lead to adverse effects.

Here is what Dr Heather Currie, a gynaecologist and menopause expert has to say:
"Last week's report did not in fact say that there is NO association with HRT and breast cancer, but explained that HRT, like any medicine has risks, but for most women, when it is used correctly, especially for women under the age of 60, there are far more benefits than risks. To pick up on a few of the points raised--
The drop in rates of breast cancer in fact started before the WHI trial was reported and before the drop in HRT use.
The known association in breast cancer risk with HRT used for more than 5 years after the age of 50, is not as great as the known association with being overweight or taking 2 or more units of alcohol per day.
The difference in response to HRT of the older women in the trial, compared to women in their 50s, is in relation to the cardiovascular effect--we know that estrogen is very likely to be beneficial to the cardiovascular system if used in the early menopausal years, when blood vessels are healthy. However, if we wait until later years when the vesselas are already diseased, HRT is unlikely to be beneficial and may cause further harm in a very small numbe rof women.
Finally, the Million Women referred to has since been shown to be extremely flawed and no firm conclusions can be drawn from that study."

Re bleed or no bleed. Again lots of issues. Many women are progesterone intolerant and so the feel good factor of taking oestrogen is diminished by the negative side effects of progesterone ( eg bloating, headaches, anxiety, weight gain - for some etc) which can be made worse with the synthetic progestins used in all the combined preparations - including transdermal.

I have read that sometimes progesterone can interfere with oestrogen's effect on the oestrogen receptors and again lessen its effects.

Personally as we have evolved to have a cycle, I feel it unnatural to take both oestro and prog all the time and feel that metabolically - our bodies are suited to a cycle. My doctor did not recommend or not recommend this - in fact once I had reached 57 and still on HRT suggested I went onto a conti preparation as i would be post-meno. I did for a while then changed back. Most women do not want a bleed and so most take both together.

However if I continue to take HRT into my 60's which I fully intend to do - I can;t imagine having "periods" at 65 - but there is really no reason why not - as you say - it is just weighing up risks and benefits, convenience, quality of life etc

I am not overweight and whilst I drink alcohol do not do so in excess. I do need to take more exercise though!

Sorry this is so long - hope you haven;t all gone to sleep!

Bellaciao x

neva · 08/07/2012 15:35

Thanks for you replies. As I mentioned, I had around 7 days of menopausal type symptoms, then felt fine, then a couple of days feeling a bit off colour, now fine again. Have been charting for birth control for the last couple of years, and it's interesting to see lately how my waking temperatures are going dramatically up and down on a day by day basis.

I keep thinking there must be some positives about menopause. In my case I have noticed I am sleeping brilliantly well, my sensitive gums seem less so, my stomach is flat after years of feeling a bit bloated, and I am thinking more clearly. So in these ways at least I can say I am feeling better than in recent years... Would be interested to hear from anyone who has something good to say about the menopausal process/post-menopause years.

Surely this process is meant overall to protect us, rather than to make us feel miserable??

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susieq1961 · 03/09/2012 15:59

I'm 50 and haven't had a period since last October. Have had terrible flushes and especially at night, it wakes me up. I've been taking a tablet called Menopace from Boots (one a day with your main meal) and although it hasn't made the sweats disappear, it has helped a bit to not make them so severe, I just tried them as I didn't really want to go to the doctors for HRT as my mum tried it and they didn't agree with her. One thing I would like to know is, when will it be safe to have sex without protection. Will I have to wait for the 2 year period is over?

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