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Paleo and primal

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Daughteroughter · 27/03/2013 01:28

I have been reading about paleo and primal diets has anyone tried them?

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FavadiCacao · 01/06/2013 21:41

Cooking...Grin Grin I now know how to make Grin without square brackets but remember the oil in the water!

nappyaddict · 01/06/2013 21:52

I want my own almond tree Envy

Salbertina · 01/06/2013 21:55

Me too. Just dusting off the Envy i found hiding at the bottom of my screen, v handy..
Are you and tree in UK? Felt positively ravenous after reading your post and was imagining Tuscany if somewhere..

FavadiCacao · 01/06/2013 22:19

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misscph1973 · 02/06/2013 14:23

This weekend I had a few treats, I made flapjacks as we had all the ingredients and I am keen to make more room in the cupboard (ahem), and I had a Tsin Tsao lager as I thought it was gluten free, I had no idea that malt is a grain, not sure what I thought it was ;) But I really enjoyed it and it is certainly not an every day thing.

I have researched "grain free lager" and it seems it doesn't exist, makes sense, it probably wouldn't be a lager without at least the malt.

More on alcohol: My mother-in-law made Robb Wolfe's NorCal margueritas Saturday, really tasty, can recommend them!

Every now and again I get to a point where I just can't stand any more meat, does it sound familiar? I then eat fish and up the veg intake, but it still doesn't feel quite right. I guess it's partly because of my vegetarian/vegan background. My DH quite often eats meat and no veg, quite sickening, but it seems to be what he needs to thrive.

I made this salad for lunch, a version of an Asian slaw recipe from Riverford:

First prepare dressing:
Splash of fish sauce
Juice of a lime or a lemon
1 small tsp brown sugar
1 red chilli finely chopped
1 clove garlic finely chopped

Add to this:
1/2 head shredded savoy cabbage
2 carrots grated
1/2 apple grated
1/2 small red onion in thin slices
A small handful sesame seeds

Mix well and let sit for 20 min.

How did your weekends go?

FavadiCacao · 02/06/2013 18:32

Salbertina Both in the UK, mostly basking in the water and wind but thoroughly enjoy the odd day of sunshine. Grin

Most fruiting trees are grafted onto differing sizes root-stocks. So you could have your own tree, just choose size appropriate for your garden size.

ps. reason for withdrawing post: I had made a lighthearted joke about tree root-stocks but later realised it contained a word that could be misconstrued as inappropriate (although correct for trees). Blush

FavadiCacao · 02/06/2013 18:51

Misscph It's a real shame about beer coming from grain, I miss it soooo much. Sad Dh can't give it up, so he makes his own but it's still beer. His excuse is that Grok would know about fermentation just by observation of his environment!
If your avoiding all grains, remember to exclude Vodka (often distilled from grains, rather than potatoes) and Gin, which is frequently used to make other liquors (eg Limoncello, sloe gin, etc).

I know what you mean my being fed up of meat! There are days I'm happy to be eating solely vegetables (might throw in an egg!) and it's almost I could go hunting for veg- it's why I like the idea of foraging even in my own garden. This past week I had meat 3-4 times and fish the same (that's less than half of meals!) but last week couldn't get enough meat! Smile

snoworneahva · 02/06/2013 21:53

Misscp salad sounds great!

We had a weekend at MILs - ingredients and cooking equipment and general kitchen environment is a struggle.

I did three meals:
A selection of Waitrose chicken curries with roasted cauliflower,
Discovery chipotle paste marinated chicken with butternut squash, broccoli and coleslaw. Followed by Eton Mess
Waitrose prepared Pork tenderloins stuffed with apple butter and served it with carrot batons and asparagus.
And we had a meal out in a fabulous restaurant - I had fillet steak in a mustard sauce with red onions and mushrooms and a few chips followed by a gluten free Mocha Cake and a honey and nutmeg ice cream.

Managed to avoid all the other sweet temptations being pushed my way, stayed away from sugar after 3.00pm and stayed gluten free - so not so bad. Grin

nappyaddict · 02/06/2013 22:10

I have seen gluten free lager in Sainsbury's, but it is made from rice or buckwheat.

nappyaddict · 02/06/2013 22:12

The ingredients are water, sorghum, millet, buckwheat, brown rice and yeast.

RawCoconutMacaroon · 03/06/2013 08:28

Favadi, Chase Vodka, my tipple of choice, is potato, completely grain free. Agave tequila is another good alternative (but it needs to say 100% Agave on the bottle otherwise it will be mixed with (cheaper) grain alcohol.

Wine is so hit and miss for me (many give me migraine), that I just stick to non-grain spirits now Smile.

misscph1973 · 03/06/2013 10:38

snow, sounds like you had a foodie heaven weekend!

Nappy, thanks for the research on lager! Still not paleo, though.

Raw, thanks for warning re "unclean" tequila, will be careful ;)

I have been researching a bit to work out why I have overall gained weight on Paleo (not much, but enough for me to worry about this continuing). Looks like it's carbs, although I honestly would prefer to eat more than 50 g of carb daily. Do I really have to give up fruit and veg that aren't dark green? Any thoughts?

snoworneahva · 03/06/2013 10:45

I love tequila - I'm thinking mixing it with lime juice and lemon juice with some mint and sparking water....gad I'm such a sheep!

magso · 03/06/2013 10:52

Hello, mind if I join in?
I would like to adjust our diet (well mine mostly, but as chief cook, buyer and maid of all, it will hopefully affect us all)- as much as possible to a stone age diet but don't really know where to start. Am really just at the beginning having toyed with Dukon (I have a book about it) and low carbohydrate. The basic paleo rules are no grain, legumes, dairy, alcohol or factory or processed food. I am struggling to find breakfasts except eggs in every form. I also will struggle to give up dairy and bread. I am confused about potatoes- can we eat them (they are roots but would not have been discovered in stone age times) and I am uncertain about pulses - are they legumes as well as peas and beans? Any fruits we should avoid?
Which books or web sights would help get me started?

misscph1973 · 03/06/2013 13:13

Welcome, magso!

I suggest you sign up for newsletters from Marks Daily Apple, Mark Sissons site - he calls his version Primal, and it's not as restrictive as say Robb Wolfes version. On Primal you can have dairy if you can tolerate it and also potatoes (I think. Butternut squash, sweet potatoes and cauliflower are popular potato substitutes)). Sissons book The Paleo Blueprint is very good. I also like Robb Wolfes book, but he is much stricter.

Pulses are legumes. You don't have to avoid fruit, but have it in moderation. Bananas are high carb so not great. Berries are low carb, much better.

I think you should start slowly with one step at a time, if you are doing it as a family. Empty your cupboard slowly - first use up the pasta, then use up the rice and so on. Slowly up the intake of green leafy veg (broccoli, cabbage etc) and fatty cuts of meat, fatty fish and organ meats.

Breakfast is a bit difficult. I often simply skip breakfast (intermittent fasting is popular on paleo). My kids have omelettes, fried eggs, scrambled eggs etc. with bacon or ham. Sometimes my DS will have a can of mackerel in tomato! My DH likes minute steaks and small hamburger patties for breakfast. I sometimes make a green smoothie with spinach, coconut milk and a banana or better, an avocado. I also make coconut kefir (lovely, creamy yoghurt!).

Good luck!

magso · 03/06/2013 13:38

Thank you so much misscph! Starting slowly will suit us all better. Ds (who has autism) might be a problem as his favourite foods are pasta and bread and he is not the most flexible of eaters although fortunately likes most veg and fruit.
I have marked the daily apple in my 'favorites' so thank you. I am glad to see that salt is allowed in the primal version, as I need salt to keep my BP up when upright. I ordered a few books from amazon ( the ones mentioned early in the thread) so should have The Paleo Blueprint and a blue print recipe book on the way. I am off to buy spinach avocado fish and coconut milk.
I think I will aim for a gradual transition for family meals, but be stricter with my solo meals ( ds is at school), as I have been half following the low carb Dukan diet for myself which has some similarities. ( I need to loose a few pounds)

RawCoconutMacaroon · 03/06/2013 14:02

Paleo/primal/lchf, really, the differences are small- originally paleo Was more restrictive (Cordain et al) but the likes of Robb wolf (paleo solution), is more towards the Primal (he has cream in his coffee, also eats white rice when in intensive training).
Swedish lchf (see dietdoctor.com), is fairly heavy on butter and cream.

It might be easier to use the umbrella term "Ancestral woe", the similarities far outweigh the differences! All advocate a clean (additive and fake ingredient free) food, raised or grown as naturally as possible, and GRAIN FREE, soy and legume free (white rice being regarded by many as fairly benign). Potatoes... May be fine for some people, not for others, if they make you ill, don't eat them. Peeled or very young ones are less likely to make you feel ill.

HOWEVER, and its a big "however", whatever carbs you eat, you need to eat a lot less than the standard diet (ancestral doesn't mean "low carb", but the typical diet is so massively high carb that it seems very low in comparison).
For faster weight loss, yes people do cut carbs down very low (20g,50g, per day, but for maintenance I think 100-150g a day would be quite typical (about a third of what many people eat on a standard diet!).

For weight gain on paleo/primal, I hate to say it, but the nuts! Smile I mean they are great, healthy and full of vitamins etc, but no getting away from the fact that they have a lot of calories. As Robb Wolf says, while not wanting to encourage calorie counting, "at some point, calories DO matter, be mindful of portion sizes with nuts".
That would be especially true while weight loss is the goal. Nuts and nut baking, nut stuffings etc are treat foods IMO! For adults anyway, for kids they can be a great source of calories and fat.

Breakfasts... Meat and berries, meat and cheese, meat, cheese and berries (think Scandinavian style platter)!
Leftovers make great breakfasts Grin!

misscph1973 · 03/06/2013 15:29

Great summary, raw!

Almonds are my vice, I can't stay away from them ;) And I do like baking with almond flour. I am also very keen on coconut milk. I think I might have to calorie count for a week, just so see exactly where the problems are.

infamouspoo · 03/06/2013 17:51

hi all. Can I join. I did start a meat free primal if anyone wants to answer. I'm grain/sugar free, eat fish and was wondering about pulses. I cant afford fish very often (and am not a huge fan to be honest) so generally eat eggs/veg/fuit/mayo/cream/pulses/nuts. I've loads more energy since cutting out all grains and sugar but I'm still experimenting with which veg are ok for me. Too many tomatoes can give me acid indigestion, as can onions. I've a limited budget too.
Is anyone the only person doing this? DH and the kids are still bread and pasta fans so I feel like a cafe Sad

Salbertina · 03/06/2013 18:06

Great summary, thanks, Raw. Though must admit to having misread "ancestral woe" to have been "woe" not W.O.E Grin(blame my family for everything, me Wink)

Still no bloomin' almond flour and even dc love it! Can heartily not recommend quinoa flour- foul and, obviously when i think about it, not even LC!

FavadiCacao · 03/06/2013 18:39

Misscph It sounds something is not quite right. My first thought would be to look closely at drinks and starches. Are you drinking, eating hidden sugars? for example protein shakes, certain yogurts. What about starches? When I made the pasta the other day, I found I'd gained 4lb overnight- clearly that was water retention- and I can have a similar reaction with potatoes; I've given up pulses completely (but the odd pea or green/french bean when in season). When I was loosing weight, I discovered that cheese could stall me or even gain weight.
Fruit should be absolutely fine but when loosing weight it might worthwhile not eating dried fruit or fruit with high sugar content such persimon/sharon fruit, banana, watermelon, be careful with apricots, peaches, plums, cherries.
Roots are fine but can be high in starch (carrots are ok but carefull with mooli, sweet potato, tapioca, arrowroot)
Veg can't think of any particularly high in carbs

FavadiCacao · 03/06/2013 18:52

Hi infamous, although I'm not a vegetarian, I love my meat-free meals.
This site might help simply vegetarian :)

Miss clearly posted too late. It looks like you might have found your culprit! Grin

misscph1973 · 04/06/2013 09:46

Fava, thanks for your thoughts, very helpful. I do use sweetened almond milk in my tea and coffee (typically 3 cups of tea daily and perhaps a coffee). I eat some potatoes, but max. 1 a week and cheese some weeks. Almonds are definitely a problem for me ;) I make almond flour pancakes once a week and I snack on almonds daily. I am not going to give up the pancakes (but I will give up the maple syrup!) but I will give up the almonds. I will cut down on fruit and I will focus more on leafy green veg. I am going to really work on the sugar - I always bake something in the weekend with sugar, but I will give that up as well.

(this is more of a self-pep-talk, don't feel obliged to comment)

Welcome, infamous, I have a vegetarian/vegan background and I had wanted to go grain free for some time when I found paleo. I decided that it was going to be too difficult if I didn't eat meat. I think you can do it, but it's going to be hard. I suggest you focus on coconut - coconut fat, coconut milk etc. I think eating fish is good idea. Do you like tinned fish? I eat a lot of tinned tuna in olive oil (I like Sainsbury's own brand) and tinned sardines in olive oil (again Sansbury's). I also like smoked or peppered mackerel. All 3 are fatty and not too expensive. You can also get frozen fish at good prices, I often make fish cakes with frozen fish, just put 4-6 thawed fillets (salmon or white fish or both) in the food processor with 1 copped onion, 1-2 eggs, a fish stock cube and salt and pepper. Shape them like small burger patties and fry gently). Just try to make sure you eat wild fish only as the omega 3 content is highest here. And I suggest you keep eating pulses even if it's not paleo/primal. Just make sure you soak them overnight.

infamouspoo · 04/06/2013 10:14

tinned pulses ok?

RawCoconutMacaroon · 04/06/2013 12:45

Err, no! They are still pulses Smile

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