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Low-carb bootcamp

Join discussions about low-carb bootcamp plans, meals and progress. Consider speaking to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Snack ideas please :-)

13 replies

Ujjayi · 13/09/2014 23:25

I'm low-carbing using a mix of info from here & India Knight's book. I keep a food diary using My Fitness Pal and the last few days have resulted in my being significantly under the recommended calorie intake.

I am eating well, not hungry and exercise daily (mostly power walking with my dog but also circuit training, pilates etc).

Just wondering if I need to add some extra snacks into my diet? I don't tend to snack currently as I'm just not hungry.

Any ideas for appetizing snacks (no more eggs please!)?

Also any views on the calorie intake issue? I know it isn't a calorie counting WOE but equally concerned by body will go into starvation protection mode & reduce my metabolism (which MFP keeps saying will happen).

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BIWI · 13/09/2014 23:27

Why would you add snacks in if you're not hungry?

And why are you worried about going into starvation mode? What are you eating?

It's a bit alarming that your calories are so low though - list out your meals over the last few days

Ujjayi · 13/09/2014 23:48

The only thing that's making me wonder about my metabolism slowing is the message from MFP saying that it's a possibility! I'm certainly not hungry or ignoring my body's hunger signals.

Yesterday:

Breakfast: poached eggs, smoked salmon

Lunch: roast cauliflower, watercress & spinach salad

Supper: roast cod & side salad (rocket & parmesan).

Exercise: 3km power walk (150 calories)

Today I had:

Breakfast - scrambled eggs made with a splash of double cream, and some cheese

Lunch: antipasti (meat, cheese & olives) and a mixed leaf salad

Supper: omelette with feta, spring onion & pancetta)

Exercise today was a 6km power walk burning 299 calories

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Ujjayi · 13/09/2014 23:49

Forgot to say there was avocado in my salad with omelette this evening Smile

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chocolatespiders · 13/09/2014 23:59

Didn't know you could rost cauliflower! Going to try that!

Ujjayi · 14/09/2014 00:08

It's delicious & really filling: I found the recipe in Honestly Healthy book.

Cut cauli into large chunks. Crush/smash 4 garlic cloves. Add olive oil, thyme, salt & pepper (possibly also ground cumin...not sure tho). Roast for 30 minutes. Add sprinkling of grated parmesan & roast for further 10 mins. Serve at room temp with a salad.

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BIWI · 14/09/2014 09:56

That all sounds good - but doesn't sound like very much food - although obviously difficult to tell!

The danger with going too low calorie is that you will slow your metabolism down, and this will be disproportionate to your calorie intake. Which means that when you increase your calorie intake, i.e. when you reach your target (which is what most people end up doing, if the calorie intake is lowered, to ensure weight loss,) your metabolism will be slower than it was before you started, which means your body has to work harder to use up those calories - meaning you're likely to put weight back on more quickly. That's a bit of a clumsy explanation, sorry!

But it's why you need to make sure you aren't going too low calorie.

Have you used myfitnesspal to work out your Basal Metabolic Rate? This will show you the range of calories that you ought to be consuming each day.

But if you're low carbing 'properly' then you really, really don't need to worry about calories, honestly! Looking at your meals, I'd be tempted to add another vegetable to your evening meal, rather than just the salads you've been eating.

BIWI · 14/09/2014 10:09

Here's an extract from an interview with Dr John Briffa who explains it a lot better than I can:

One of the things that I love is to do things differently. In this book, the thing that captures you straight away, is on the book it says, "Lose book for good without calorie counting." That's a complete opposite of what we know and what everybody's thinking these days. Why do we not need to count calories?

John: The main reason is that it doesn't work. I know theoretically it should work. If you eat less calories than you burn, they you're going to lose weight. That's what we're told. That can work, and it can also work in the short term. It can even work quite successfully in the short term. What the studies show though, Matt, is that it doesn't work in the long term. So, if you try either eating less and or exercising more, most individuals over a period of time, a year or two, will not lose significant quantities of weight. Some of them will actually end up a bit heavier than they started. So, we also know and, you may know this from your own experience, certainly there are millions of people who have been in this position.

Forget what the studies show. They've experienced that. There are very few people who say, "Yes, I ate less and exercised more. I lost weight, and I kept it off." They're in the minority. Most people say, "Yeah, well, I'm kind of fed up. My diet went back to normal." Why is that? Usually we kind of assume that it's their failing that they didn't do it enough. They still ate too much, didn't exercise enough. They're a bit lazy. They're greedy. All of these, which can be self applied. I didn't do it correctly. I lack self control. I've got a weak will. Maybe I'm a bit inadequate or whatever. These things are common with people who fail with the calorie approach.

As I explore in the book, there's a number of different mechanisms that come into play when someone either restricts calories or exercises more, that are essentially designed to keep the body fat, to keep the body hanging onto its fat. You've kind of gone into starvation mode. The body doesn't know this is not going to end. It basically thinks, "Oh, dear. I need to protect myself." So, it changes the levels of certain hormones, like thyroid hormones. It down tunes parts of the nervous system that stimulate metabolism, so that reduces metabolism. It also has an influence on a very important hormone called leptin.

Leptin actually stimulates the metabolism and suppresses appetite. So, if levels of leptin go down as we diet, that basically suppresses the metabolism, and also makes us hungry of course. So, now we've put a big dent in the metabolism by consciously restricting calories, for example. So you might say, "Okay, I'll exercise my way out of here. I'll go to the gym more and spend more time in the gym." The problem with that is that although theoretically it works, the fundamental issue is that it doesn't burn that calories, exorcise. It really doesn't. If you've ever exercised on a piece of equipment that counts calories, you'd know this. Have you ever?

Matt: Yeah. You see the calorie numbers going up, which is great until you realize that number is equivalent to a quarter of a digestive biscuit or something like that.

John: That's exactly it. The other problem is that when people exercise more, they tend to get hungrier. So, now they're hungry. They're not actually losing weight effectively. They're subsisting on meager portions of food, because you put a dent in your metabolism. The studies that go back 60 years, there was this very famous study that was done called the Minnesota Experiment, where they took men, put them on a diet, what they call a semi-starvation diet. They did lose weight, between 20% and 26% of their weight was lost. But, their metabolism declined by 40%.

In other words, the metabolism declined to an extent far greater than you'd predict just by the fact that the body is now smaller. This is a problem, right? How are you going to make that work for you? You're not. So, instead of thinking about calories, what you might think is, that's not so important. What causes fat to get into my fat cells and stay there. It's complex, to be honest. But you know the answer to this now, because you've read a couple of my books. Basically, the nub of the issue is a hormone called insulin. Among the effects of insulin is to facilitate fat uptake in fat cells. Once it's there, it tends to keep it there. So, it's fattening

The whole transcript is here

Ujjayi · 14/09/2014 10:26

Thanks BIWI. Extra veg is easy enough to add. I'm not calorie counting myself (I've always been oblivious to calorie content as I've never "dieted" just had a good, healthy food intake/attitude) but I used MFP to keep a track of my intake when I found I did need to lose weight & wondered if I was perhaps in denial about my diet. The reason I have to lose weight now is that I was taking medication for 6 months which had a side effect of weight gain (basically screwed my metabolism). So I'm mindful that I don't want to mess up my metabolic rate further by inadvertantly under-eating.

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BIWI · 14/09/2014 10:31

Ah yes. Can see that you would be worried about that! How's it going generally?

Ujjayi · 14/09/2014 11:08

Well I started last week. Had 3 great days then went all panicked & doubtful about low carb, mostly the fat content v weightloss etc so then had 5 days of eating low-ish carb but also beans, pulses, fruits etc (healthy but not low carb).

I weighed myself on friday & I hadn't lost so much as an ounce. So I have embraced it all again & decided I can take a leap of faith in this WOE for 2 weeks. If I don't lose I will rethink but carrying on the way I am isn't working either & is just maintaining my weight, which makes me depressed.

One thing I have noticed with MFP is that I seem to regularly fall short on protein (averaging 15% rather than 35% which they recommend). Today I have begun to address that by changing my egg breakfast to mushrooms roasted with mozzarella & ham. My stats show that has put me right on target already today. But any ideas for increased protein intake would be great. I thought each meal I was having had protein as a main element but clearly not enough!

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BIWI · 14/09/2014 12:20

Have you done any reading around the subject? It helps to know more about the science behind it, particularly when it comes to embracing fat - it's very difficult to go against what we've been told (relentlessly) about fat being evil!

I can really recommend "Escape the Diet Trap" by Dr John Briffa. Also, I'm reading a book that's just out called "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz, which is very good. Also "The Diet Delusion" by Gary Taubes.

here's some stuff I wrote for MN about it as well, which might be a good place to start!

Oh, and the next Bootcamp starts on 29/9, if you're interested?

Ujjayi · 14/09/2014 19:50

I have been reading around the subject but will check out Dr John Briffa's works - he used to write in the Guardian/Observer iirc.

I am a big believer in healthy fats usually - we always use butter, olive oil etc & never buy "lite" or "diet" options of anything. I think I just got to the stage last week where I am so exhausted & frustrated with not losing this weight that I had a complete wobble. I re-read IPD this weekend & that helped to get me back on track too. Having said that, I'm not someone in denial about my food consumption or an overeater. It is literally down to the otherwise helpful medication I had to take. It is a bizarre thing to watch your body expand despite eating your usual diet. It totally blitzed my metabolism Hmm.

I really appreciate the support on this board & I will be joining in with bootcamp. However, I am hoping that by 29/9 I will be entering Phase 2 of IPD ... so long as I don't fall off the wagon! Tbh I want this far too badly to do so.

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BIWI · 14/09/2014 20:24

Medication is definitely implicated in weight gain, or at least recognised as something that can hinder weight loss, so you have my very sympathy.

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