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Low-carb bootcamp

Week 3 - Low Carb Bootcamp - the hard work is over!

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BIWI · 19/05/2014 07:07

Morning all!

Well done everyone for getting through the first two weeks. Still a bit of carb flu around by the sound of it though. Remember it's really important to keep your electrolyte levels up, with all the water that we're drinking. This means plenty of salt!

I know we're all told to keep the salt down, but it's (yet another) thing when you're low carbing that runs counter to expectations. Cook with it, and put it on your food.

Here's a really good post about salt and why we need it

As well as sodium, we also need magnesium and potassium - salmon, spinach, avocado and (full fat) natural yoghurt are all good.

Bootcamp Light

So now, if you want to, you can move on to Bootcamp Light. The rules for this are on the Spreadsheet of Fabulousness

(Oh, and don't forget [[www.mumsnet.com/bootcamp the Weight Tracker as well)

Essentially the differences are that you can, if you want, start to skip breakfast if you're not hungry - I know that lots of people have problems with eating first thing. By now you should have stabilised your blood sugar levels, so if you're not hungry in the morning (or at any other time of the day) you don't have to force yourself to eat. Just make sure you don't end up ravenous later on and without anything appropriately low carb to eat!

You can introduce some fruit - berries or rhubarb only (although bear in mind that rhubarb will need to be sweetened, which will mean using an artificial sweetener; stevia is probably the best one to use - brands are PureVia or Truvia.) But be careful not to go mad - it's an occasional thing, and in moderation!

Similarly with nuts and seeds. These can be introduced now as snacks, but go easy. They can quickly add lots of carbs to your diet. Almonds and macadamias are the lowest in carbs. And if in doubt, check the carb count on the back of the packet

And you can also introduce alcohol, but with the same warnings about moderation! Spirits like vodka and gin are the best, as these are low carb - drink them with sparkling water or - if you have to - slimline tonic. Champagne, dry white and red wine are allowed, but these do have carbs, so go easy.

The week 3 (or 4, or 5) stall

PLEASE NOTE! IT IS VERY, VERY COMMON FOR WEIGHT LOSS TO STOP ALTOGETHER AT THIS POINT.

This is to do with your body switching from carb-burning to fat-burning - StuntNun posted a really good post about this last week, I think, and I'll ask her to re-post. It is entirely normal and doesn't signal that you're doing anything wrong.

However - you may feel, knowing this, that you want to stay on Bootcamp for a bit longer. There is no problem doing that, as long as you are getting your carbs from vegetables and salad. You may want to consider doing Bootcamp during the week and Bootcamp Light at the weekend.

So good luck everyone! Here's to another good week Flowers

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Thumbwitch · 25/05/2014 17:28

I'mSo - I don't know that I have any useful advice, but I have had a hypo after doing an evening of low-impact, high repetition circuit/weight training whilst on a "diet" - years ago, when I was cox for a ladies' rowing crew, and our coach suggested I drop a few lbs. I used to train with them for solidarity but not put in the same amount of strength work (I didn't need to and muscle weighs too much!) - anyway, I'd clearly used up all my glycogen and sugar stores and had this whopping hypo at work. There's me in the loos, green and grey and clammy, and a woman who was borderline diabetic found me, recognised what it was, and gave me sugar cubes and water. OBVIOUSLY this is not good for lowcarbing, but it worked bloody quick - in less than 10 minutes, I'd say, I felt myself coming back to normal and could go back to work. Soooo - you might consider glucose tablets a little before your run, because you're going to use up all that absorbed sugar pretty immediately, aren't you, it's not going to hang around - it'll break ketosis, but get you through the run.

I'm really not doing well at this, this time around - and to cap it all, DS1 has had a viral gastric bug (that's been doing the rounds in his class) all weekend and Muggins here has been the one looking after him and cleaning up. DH sort of helped by taking DS2 into his bed, so that I didn't have to deal with him AS WELL, but in reality, it just meant that DH could go back to sleep and leave me to be the one who was up until gone 4:30am, which is when DS1 stopped throwing up. Grrr.
Anyway. I do this WOE when I can, and slip too much, so am doubtless not in ketosis but still happy not to be eating so many carbs - will, at some point, manage to get past all my shit and get back on it properly.

I never realised I had an emotional eating problem before - over emotional ishoos used to reduce my appetite, but things have obviously changed over the years!

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Suzymoo09 · 25/05/2014 17:36

"Imsooverit" I don't know about the marathon training but my DH is lcarbing and is diabetic and is experimenting a little with his medication trying to adapt it - when his blood sugar gets too low he resorts to carbs like you did or has one of those special sweets (you could carry them on your run with you in case you need it). Not very helpful but know you're not alone and perhaps you can allow yourself to eat carbs if you really need them in order to bring your blood sugar up.

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Suzymoo09 · 25/05/2014 17:39

Yes, by sweets I mean those glucose tablets Thumbwitch mentions

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antimatter · 25/05/2014 18:29

ImSoOverIt - how much and what kind of water do you drink?
I felt like crying and was in massive pain for couple of says during second week. I worked it out that I was drinking water from filter for most of that time or water which was boiled which would have been depleted of minerals.

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BIWI · 25/05/2014 18:36

Get hold of a copy of "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance" that should help.

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BIWI · 25/05/2014 18:36

Get hold of a copy of "The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Performance" that should help.

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ImSoOverIt · 25/05/2014 18:41

I was drinking plain tap water whilst actually running, then when I got it drunk some effervescent paracetamol which contains sodium, then when that didn't work I drank some dioralyte, although this does contain glucose. I gave it at least half an hour as I had a bath in that time, then finally decided to eat some bread as I felt so unwell, and felt noticeably better within about 10-15 minutes which fits with being hypoglycaemic unfortunately. I also eat a lot of salt with my food, and today also added some lo-salt to my meal along with normal salt to get a good dose of sodium and potassium in case I needed it.

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ImSoOverIt · 25/05/2014 18:42

It's annoying that you can't get sports drinks without sugar or artificial sweeteners. But guess they would be pretty unpalatable!

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ImSoOverIt · 25/05/2014 18:43

Thanks biwi - I may look into that.

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JaneParker · 25/05/2014 19:29

Imso - have a look on line at reddit keto - there are loads of very fit young men who work out etc who eat this way and work out ways to make lots of exercise and this way of eating work. (I go up the stairs two at a time but otherwise don't do much exercise myself....)

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LittleMissDisorganized · 25/05/2014 19:32

Hi everyone,
ImSo I suspect you aren't completely ketoadapted yet. It takes 2-4 weeks, and it takes as long as it takes. And once you are ketoadapted then you can start to increase your endurance.

I don't think you can say that because you felt better after toast, therefore you were hypo. You sound like you were acidotic, you were struggling to produce enough fuel (ketones, via mobilising fat from cells, is how you will be able to do so once completely ketoadapted, plus a small amount conversion into glucose) and you gave yourself some fuel - easily usable fuel in the form of toast - and then you felt better. I doubt you went hypo - it's easy to jump to conclusions when your body won't do what you are wanting it to do.

The book BIWI recommends is solidly scientific, written by 2 impressive American physicians - it will answer your questions far better than I am.
But I would say that, as thumbwitch says - if you aren't able to run that far by the time of your race without carbs, then for that day, you do have other options that don't involve feeling so ill.

thumb I made your 'swede salad' today in lieu of potato salad when we had my ILs round for a BBQ. It was good - thank you for singing it's praises! Sorry things still plod on frustratingly with one thing or another at home - chronic sleep deprivation is awful.

Minty hope you are ok and feel free to complain here, we don't just talk about food!!

lowcarb hope today is a little brighter

I am shattered - terrible night's sleep last night - a bath with a book is my comfort habit these days and no calories or carbs! - but being that I am an addict and it recurs in all circumstances... I can easily be tempted by staying in too long, too late, when I should be doing something else... ALL things in moderation, eh?!

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StuntNun · 25/05/2014 19:50

Pingu my macros for the day are 7% carbs, 20% protein, 72% fat. I skipped lunch and was still well north of 2000 calories so it looks like two meals a day is more than adequate for me with the way I'm eating these days.

Imso perhaps a bit of carb loading prior to longer training sessions events will carry you through until you are keto adapted. A lot of endurance athletes eat more carbs on training days. Volek and Phinney worked with long distance cyclists so they will definitely have the info you need.

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pingufan · 25/05/2014 20:03

Thanks for everything stunt, I think I are a little too much veg with my Sunday roast chicken and it seems I eat a bit too much protein too.

I know that protein keeps me full though - hope butter and oils will do the same.

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CQ · 25/05/2014 20:06

HI everyone, just catching up after a busy few days.

Interesting reading about your 'bonk' Imso or whatever it was. I'm a little scared to really push myself at the moment with my running but can manage 4 or 5 miles and hills without feeling too wiped out. Have a 10k race next Sunday so not sure how that will go.

I had a really long day yesterday - had to leave home at 4.30 a.m. to go to an all day school sports thing, 2.5 hours drive away. There was a supporters marquee FULL of bad things to eat and I was really good all day, chose cold meats & salads, cheese without bread etc. But by 6 pm and after our 3rd drenching of the day I weakened and ate just one piece of Victoria sponge. It was bloody lovely and I enjoyed it as a treat and I don't hate myself for it.

I was dreading the drive home - I'm usually crap at night and get really tired and sleepy at the wheel so I plan lots of coffee breaks. But last night I got none of the heavy-eye feelings and felt alert all the way home, even at 10pm. I really feel this WOE has evened out my blood sugar amazingly.

A quick question for any experts out there - how do you know when you are ketoadapted? Will that one small slice of cake push me back to the beginning? I'm not sure how much 'forgiveness' there is in this WOE!

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Pisseslikeahorse · 25/05/2014 20:25

ImSoOverIt - i've also been hit by lack of strength oomph whilst doing some of my runs, getting home and being giddy / sick / fatigued until I've eaten something and sat for a while. Yogurt and cream seems to work best for me.
Sadly it seems to have gone in waves over the last few weeks with me feeling better and then back to having to walk (even stop and rest fake stretch ). This week I've run 4 times with increasing strength so fingers crossed.
Getting to my point, I've been toying with salt lemon water on the advice of a triathlete who mixes his own. Or have a look at 'High5 Zero Electrolyte Drink' its zero carb and sugar. And I have to admit I've been thinking about loading carbs a couple days before my race?

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ImSoOverIt · 25/05/2014 20:46

Pisses - I have been looking at making my own sports mix actually, I am going to exercise caution and follow the recipes very carefully as I imagine making it too salty would be like drinking salt water and not too good for you! I am going to order a copy of that book (looks good) and try and go without the carbs if at all possible - I am annoyed I had to resort to then last night but I really felt I needed to at the time! Smile

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trashcanjunkie · 25/05/2014 21:23

Evening all - lurking as have nothing.... just nothing. Still alive but belly still crook. Love you all.

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StuntNun · 26/05/2014 05:35

Please can everyone move over in an orderly fashion to the...

WEEK 4 CHAT THREAD

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