Bootcamp - the questions thread

[BIWI]

From experience of past Bootcamps, in the first few weeks the chat threads move really, really quickly and it's difficult sometimes to see/answer everything.

So this is a place to post any questions that you might have. Those of us who are old hands at low carbing will check this thread regularly and make sure that we answer you as soon as we can.

BIWI - is it true that in theory even if you ate 10,000 cals a day of olive oil, you wouldn't be able to put on weight? In the past I have struggled to lose weight by LCing and I kept thinking that my problem was portion control - even now if I make a yummy bolognese I am very prone to massively overeating it. I have to say this is the first place where I have possibly understood that dairy might be a factor for a reason other than increased calories. Is it perhaps the hormones contained in dairy which are growth-enhancing..? (Just guessing - I know it's one reason some believe we shouldn't drink cow's milk..)

Due to religious dietary requirements I cant eat any dairy with meat which means I am eating less fat than perhaps I need to.

Can I still lose weight if I dont eat as much fat?

thanks

helium i don't claim to have all the answers, but this is an article by a guy who did an experiment where he ate 5,000kcal per day through low carb high fat for 21 days

he put on just over 1kg rather than the 7kg or so predicted based on a purely calories in vs. calories out calculation, and his waist measurement reduced. he explains why he thinks this is. (bear in mind he has a business to promote of course, but i'm prepared to trust him on the results of his experiment)

(though i don't understand why he ate so many green beans. surely you could do this with a bit more variety)

he then did the same thing but eating carbs see here - put on the expected weight and waist size increased

pinkbraces increasing your fat intake will help

but you can increase your fat when eating meat without using dairy (and dairy can stall some people so it's not necessarily a bad thing to be careful with it):

• use coconut oil (raw off the spoon or in cooking)
• add lots of olive oil
• add mayonnaise - do eggs count as dairy from a religious POV? (some of my DP's family are kosher but they all have slightly different interpretations so i get a bit confused!) it doesn't technically contain dairy though i guess some readymade brands might contain some - you can make your own though fairly easily

and presumably you can eat dairy in vegetarian meals?

Woolfey there's a simole recipe for pork belly on my blog. I've just linked to it on the main chat thread.

Simole? Simple!

Here it is.
feastwithoutregret.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/simple-slow-roasted-pork-belly/

I've got myself a bit confused over carb counts. If something has 23g of 100g of which 2g are sugars, you cont the 23g rather than the 2g?

Just checking!

yes the 23 betty, sorry!

Thanks Willie - I had a sneaky feeling that would be the case!

Thanks for the explanation Willie

helium wrt bolognese etc i know that i can get carried away with the idea that it's low carb, because it is, but forgetting it's not carb free. so if you don't watch the portion size on something like that the carbs can add up (and that actually i would be satisfied with less; i'm just greedy)

it's also known as carb creep, as you get lulled into a false sense of security that you can eat lots on this WOE (which you can), but forgetting that low carb things in large quantities can add up to more carbs than you think

although it's boring, if you're worried you could do some weighing/calculating of the grams of carbs in your regular portions of things? it might either set your mind at rest or give you a better idea of the quantities you should/can be eating

thanks Willie :)

Pinkbraces - Hellman's Mayonnaise.

On everything!

You can even stir it into soup instead of cream.

Thanks Willie that makes perfect sense. I'm actually cooking up a bolognese now but aiming to make it into a lasagna using blanched leek sheets. Now just for a bit of portion control!

Silly question probably - but I've seen polyols listed separately both under, and not under, carbs, while doing my food shopping online today. If polyols (and fibre actually, which is sometimes listed separately) are listed, should they be in the total carb count (aren't they indigestible altered carbs? probably very artificial anyway...)

And this facial redness... this afternoon my cheeks are bright red, the right more so than the left. As I shared I'm a recovering alcoholic and when I used to drink I did have quite flushed skin and so even now I find it flushes easily in the heat, after swimming, etc, probably due to damage to the tiny capillaries in my drinking. But this is something else - it's bright red in a streak down both cheeks. Any thoughts? Is it linked to the dietary change/ withdrawal?

littlemissdisorganized, i'm not sure about the flushing, sorry. i know i feel the cold more when low carbing, but not sure if that's related. maybe keep an eye on it?

re polyols this is an article by marks' daily apple which gives more detail about them. i think there is lots of debate about them (safety, insulin reaction, degrees of artificiality etc), and i suspect as with all these things Your Mileage May Vary - some people's bodies will have an insulin reaction and others won't. certainly things that contain them like atkins bars stall me, and whether that's to do with them provoking an insulin reaction or something else i don't know. aside from that in not-even-very-large quantities they have a huge laxative effect! they are the sweetener of choice in most diabetic chocolate/fudge/boiled sweets etc and you really have to stick to the recommended portion to avoid the laxative effect

either way they are artificial and are banned on bootcamp

Thanks Willie - I realised the likes of Atkins bars are BOB (banned on bootcamp) but this was on my soya "yogurt" substitute. Which I hoped was not BOB, and had thought to be unsweetened... I am tolerating dairy in the form of some cream and have had some 'real' yogurt so maybe time to switch back to dairy. I wondered if the intolerance would lessen - it was never very severe - once I got all that rubbish out of my system!! Thank you for such a speedy and thorough reply :)

that's a bugger that you've found it contains artificial sweeteners. i wouldn't have expected it i have to say

if you're going to try dairy apparently yoghurt is better tolerated than other things (something to do with the fermentation i guess)

I am not a dairy fan because my body seems to hate it which is a great pity. Makes my nose run and throat hurt. Butter seems okay. Even cream I have decided I cannot have. No milk. No cheese. Makes snacks harder to find.

I never realised how addictive sugar is. How long before you don't crave it anymore?

Yay Woolfey I'm so pleased you enjoyed it! It does smell amaaaaazing when it's cooking.

Janx i find it takes a couple of weeks and my tastes change. Things that are allowed on BC light, eg berries and nuts, taste much sweeter and satisfy my urge for something that isn't savoury. When I then taste normal sweet stuff like biscuits or milk chocolate, it tastes sickly sweet. On BC light I make the most gorgeous berry crumbles using ground almonds and butter as the topping. Eat with clotted cream. Damn I am SO hungry now!