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my rights, his rights, the dcs rights

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cestlavielife · 21/06/2010 10:38

ex wearing me out... broken record non emotive, simple facts technique tried - he just keeps coming back with more and more attempts to argue his view...

latest is he thinks i should move into flat we still joint own (is rented out) which is next door to him, so i "save money". i am renting, not far away, a much nicer flat with garden...is MY place i can close door - when i allowed him in when i first moved - to see dcs - he smashed up the flat and assaulted me... why would i move next door to someone who verbally abuses me still when he gets chance at handovers and has phsyically assaulted me? i fled with the dcs due to his verbal and physical abuse, mostly verbal/emotional... but he had assaulted me and ds when in throes of mental breakdown...

dds see him weds eve and alternate weekends, not yet staying o/nite,except one nite they did on his insistence; there is court order (his violence, MH issues etc) but contact is gradually increasing...ds (autistic learning disabled) - issues with him running off not being secure with ex, SS and police have said "stick to supervised for him").

his attempts to manipulate/argue -

"Moving to flat next door it is totally possible and is the best solution right the tenants are living by the end of august and before the girls school begins you could move all your stuff. We could ask xxx to borrow the big transit van for a weekend and I got people that will help me. Then you live your life there as you want. But share the children lives as you should

"For our children, their well being and future and their rights you might want to consider what true love is and compromise.

"Moving them to the flat next door to me will make a very positive impact and change for their future lives, in all aspects! Above all If you want to finally recognise their rights to a father and rights to their every day lives being shared with heir father -as well as with their mother- you will try to see how much more important in their lives that is over the garden. There is plenty of parks and gardens around this area

"Staying where you are is nothing to be with our children well being needs and secuirty -it is you ego and selfishness only you-

"If you want to have your own single family, your own way, your own like all the time, please go and adopt some children and start a new single mum family then have the total control, saying liking and responsibility

"When the children is concern please always remember that "they are our children (you and me/ me and you)" They have rights to two parents two homes two families, two cultures, two languages and two holidays too.

"A petition in their name would you pleas stop this and recognise them above yourself and give them back their rights to a family and two parents

"I only want my children lives back, that you took away from me
My children need me every day as part of their lives -as much as they need you too
I only want their rights recognised,
Can't you see it

"I am not interested in selling the flats right now as it will be a loss and above all I the children need a home for them selves and their father . "

heck no i cant see it... i am proviing a home for the children, providing eveything for them (he makes no financial contribution, has been a struggle to get him to buy food for them when they with him...) faciltiating contact, gradually building it up since he emerged from being on the floor depressed unable to turn up for contact from sept 2009 up to end december 2009 .

dont i have right to a peaceful life away from him?

letting dcs go see him, faciltiating their contact, etc. but I dont have to live next door to him!

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GypsyMoth · 21/06/2010 10:49

i think i've said this before,but you really need to have NO contact with him. handovers need to be done via third party with a contact book for communication about the dc

where you live is non of his business......why are you engaging with him so much?

cestlavielife · 21/06/2010 11:00

i know...had to discuss financial issues - i try not to engage - just state facts - "this bill has arrived, please confirm you will pay your share" etc.... his response becomes verbal diarrhoea.... but yes you right - to him it is engaging.

it is still that naive belief we can become civilised "business relationship" as far as dcs concerned; but it is just impossible.

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Jux · 21/06/2010 11:23

You're not going to get a civilised business relationship with him. Forget that. Contact through solicitors, third parties or simply by letter. All face to face/voice to voice/text etc must stop. You know this really, don't you?

He will always try to push your buttons. Don't try to justify your decisions, you don't have to. You are wasting your time and energy in this way. Enjoy your (your) flat, garden and children without him.

SolidGoldBrass · 21/06/2010 11:28

THis man is a KNOB. Remember that the DC don't want to see that much of him and don;t want to stay overnight with him and their wishes take priority over his. Remember you are right and he is wrong and if he doesn't see his DC as much as he likes it's HIS FAULT for being a KNOB.
I would strongly advise cutting all contact between him and yourself. Get everything done via emails or indeed via a solicitor - remember that you do not have to have any kind of relationship with this man and he is certainly not entitled to a relationship with you. The way it works is, the DC are the ones entitled to have as much of a relationship with their dad as they want to have but you are under no obligation to have any dealings at all with a person who has repeatedly abused you and is trying to continue abusing you.

cestlavielife · 21/06/2010 11:36

this is all by email.

yes i DO know it, and just need to keep repeating to self; as you all have said. it is scary how much someone can feel entitled...scary because he has got violent before. and because he fits profile of separated dads who do bad stuff to their kids...ugh...

hopefully can get court date soon (solicitor supposed to be filing this week) to settle financial stuff and get totally disconnected.

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SolidGoldBrass · 21/06/2010 12:28

OK is it possible for the solicitor to handle the emails and you block him from emailing you at all?
BTW are you getting any kind of ongoing support from Women's Aid or the police DV unit? If not it might be worth seeing what you can access - while MN can do lots of virtual handholding and cheerleading for you, when you're dealing with a fucknugget like this man you need some ground-level RL back-up.
FWIW don't give him an inch - all the court verdicts so far have been in your favour, he's not made a good impression on them by not turning up for hearings and all that stuff as well as being on record as a DV perpetrator. And your DDS are old enough for their reluctance to spend time with him to be taken into account.
DOn't feel any guilt at all, whatever he says. It's ALL HIS FAULT that he is not with you and doesn;t see his DDs regularly.

Jux · 21/06/2010 17:31

SGB talks good sense.

cakenomore · 22/06/2010 21:11

cestlavie, i think you are a completly wonderful human being, you always take the time to help people on here. you always give really good advice and obviously have your head screwed on. please dont let this man make you doubt yourself. i know its convincing, but unfortunately that is often the nature of these men. its how they got us in the first place. One happy strong parent is better than two messed up ones and financial loss is nothing compared to emtional loss. stay away from him and stay strong. you do know what is best for you and your kids.

cestlavielife · 22/06/2010 23:18

tks....

had reasuring email from solicitor saying what SGB and others said - in so many words!

will have court date soon for financial hearing - good!

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Dollytwat · 24/06/2010 00:20

cestlavielife stop replying to the emails or texts. It took my ex a week of me not replying for him to realise I'd stopped engaging.

He was a counsellor and had begun to analyse me and my family in every email, sometimes twice a day, with special care taken to criticise my mother who was dying.

Just communicate on what you need to and take it to the family court, get Cafcass involved and take a big step back from it all.

cestlavielife · 24/06/2010 11:06

tks dolly you right.

now he gone loopy, ds1 (ASD. SLD) is on respite this weekend, exP called respite centre to say he "WILL visit his son there". they called me, i said no, it isnt the right place for visits, called SW, all agree it isnt the place for visits with dad... am leaving them to speak wih him.

worst scenario is he drives up there and ds sees his car and gets all excited then doesnt understand why dad not allowed in - he really is beyond belief.

the respite weekends are when i can relax without DS' needs etc... i dont need this hassle..

and yet when he can see him eg last saturday i had carer in place from 0930 - he called carer to say "oh i am busy til 11 will meet you later" then kept them waiting til 12 .

on top of that, police stopped me this morning and wanted "words about your car" - (is old am waiting for enw car udner scrappage scheme...) said i have to get shock absorbers replaced like yesrterday and he could have given me three points on my licence there and then! but didnt.... so car booke d in garage, £££££, hire car £££As i NEED car tomorrow for some appointmemnts etc... aargh

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Dollytwat · 24/06/2010 15:05

So sorry you're having a tough time cestlavielife.

I've come to realise that it's all about control, it's not do do with the kids at all. So this type of man won't ever give up being awkward until he gets some control over you. That's not going to happen so it goes on.

My ex just refused the contact he was offered at court yesterday. Him taking me to court for contact!

Anyway I just came first in the mothers race at sports day and he came last

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