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ok i know i am being pathetic but help!

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sez2068 · 31/03/2010 09:26

so to continue a previous bit of angst on this subject though i know its getting a bit boring..

my ds aged 12 has decided to hate my dp of 2 years who never stays over (dd aged 10 isnt bothered and loves him)

they both see their dad lots, he lives with his gf

my ds asks every night if my dp is staying and last night i said, look darling why dont you just assume that sometimes he will stay over and that way you wont need to keep worrying and asking about it..

he burst into tears as he has done previously every time this subject is raised..

he says that his life has been ruined. and so once again i simply couldnt be firm about it cos, well if he was just being stroppy i could handle it, but tears?

so my dp was upset cos though he understands that i am puting my ds first and has never once got cross about it - he really is very good about this given that ds is very rude to him and actively shows he doesnt want him around, leaving room when he comes in etc (which i do pull him up on and explain rudeness not acceptable) - he feels that i am letting ds 'run the show' and as he left he was muttering that ds has 'won again'.

a year ago my ds did like my dp but has clearly decided to change his mind, dp does try and do things with him, offers take him out etc and has done on occasion till it got like this

i read a book in library last night - a horid book that really made you feel that by dicorcing you were almost deliberatley ruining your childs life. like i should have just put up with the lies, alcoholicm, cheating etc?

this book said that if your ds or dd not like your dp you should make a choice between the dp or a good relationship with your child. i had really hoped that both might be possible

so honestly what do i do? just say he is staying and hope ds gets used to it? give up? i just so badly want to be able to move on and i love my dp and want him in my life. dont want to be single forever. but on the other hand i dont want my ds crying every night....aaarrrgh

sorry this is long...what would you do/whatr did you do?

thanks for reading. i just wish i had the strength to resolve this one way or another, its all so vague

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OnlyWantsOne · 31/03/2010 09:29

Firstly - poor you, horrid situation.

Are you sure that DP hasnt done any thing towardss your DS, im not accusing him, sorry, but you know what I mean - have you opened your eyes to all the possibilities.

I think that you need to sit down and talk with your DS, or get him to draw how he feels - write it down, maybe there is some thing going on else where in his life - that he is projecting onto your DP x

Niceguy2 · 31/03/2010 09:43

The problem as I see it is that you are giving your son too much influence on the situation.

At 12 he is still a child and he needs to start accepting that in some areas, he does not get a choice. Sometimes kids are better once they accept their lot. When I moved my daughter cried for days. The guilt I felt was immense. But I stuck to my guns and now she doesn't want to move back.

The longer you drag this out for the more likely you will lose DP. Yes you will go through some pain with DS whilst he pushes his boundaries and tries to resist.

The time for talking is over. You need to decide.

GypsyMoth · 31/03/2010 09:53

i agree with niceguy!

he is a child,dont let him dictate how you live your life. give in now and you'll find he expects it in the future....and you do have a future,you're a person too,as well as a mum!

FairyLightsForever · 31/03/2010 10:06

Could you arrange it so that your DP comes on set nights? Then you can just say "yes it is X night he always comes on this night."

Your son has worked out that getting stroppy doesn't work, so now turns on the waterworks, because he knows that he can manipulate you that way.

He needs to understand that, yes, you are his Mum, but you are also a person in your own right, not his property. Do you burst into tears every time he wants to see his friends or have his own life? Maybe you should try

Tanga · 31/03/2010 21:19

Sometimes the whole step-parent/partner thing can be a bit of a red herring. So imagine that DS started doing this to his real Dad, or school, or washing, You reassure yourself it isn't real, and then gently but firmly insist. And yes, I'm afraid I'm another voter for the idea that he uses tears because that is what works. It is about power over you and that is not a good thing to encourage in a pre-teen boy.

Give him a place to discuss his concerns, by all means - some counselling, perhaps. And give everyone some breathing space - see DP when the kids are with Dad for a few weeks, set aside some time for DS. Is there any chance you and Dad could talk to him? Perhaps there are some getting back together issues? But set the agenda, which is getting his behaviour appropriate and his feelings dealt with within a set timeframe.

sez2068 · 01/04/2010 00:15

all good replies thanks and yes you are all right about the tears being a power thing.

such a help..thanks again..i love mumsnet for this!!

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GardenPath · 01/04/2010 02:20

Oh, poor you. How distressing. Obviously, you know your Ds best but I know my own sons, at twelve, would never have burst into tears unless they were genuinely upset.

Any idea why he's taken a dislike to Dp now when you say he was ok with him a year ago? Could it be that now after two years (rather than just the one) he's realised this is likely to be a more permanent relationship between you and Dp and that perhaps he's a bit resentful that this new 'strange' (IYSWIM) man has come into his mums life (and his), replacing his father and displacing Ds - diverting his mum's attention, as he sees it, from him to Dp. This is a situation not of his making and his feelings are as worthy of care and consideration as anyone's - which is why of course, you've posted this in the first place.

He is twelve, hormones and all that, maybe he sees himself as the 'man of the house' and is jealous. Don't be too hard on him (about the tears being a power thing) this scenario is certainly not unheard of after all.

I'm afraid they need a lot of patience, don't they, and after all, he didn't ask for his mum and old daddy to split up or ask for new daddy - (ref to 'My Name Is Earl', btw, and I'm not judging).

Has anything happened? Has Dp told him off about something perhaps and Ds is thinking 'You're not my Dad', 'This is OUR house' type of thing? (Especially since Dp doesn't actually even live with you). Mind you, the way he's feeling atm, I dare say your Dp can't do right for doing wrong.

Why/how does Ds think his life has been ruined?

How is DS with his father and/or his fathers gf?

Has his father unwittingly said something to him, perhaps?

By the way, IMHO, you are right to put Ds first - Dp's can come and go but you've got Ds for life. - Again, not judging - single parent too, experienced similar situation.

Hopefully, the situation will resolve itself in time, as Ds gets older, though he's only just starting on the horror teen years, so don't expect a smooth ride!

Softly, softly, catch e monkey.

sez2068 · 01/04/2010 09:34

gardenpath, thankyou - cos you are the first person to acknowledge that the tears may be genuine and i do honestly feel that he is really truly upset.

i do know why he is upset - its cos one night over xmas dp stayed over with his kids and long, long after they were all asleep (we thought) - like gone midnight - well we were in bed and very quietly, in the dark - well you know and suddenly ds burst in and threw on teh light and obviously knew what had been going on and totally freaked.

ever since then he hates him. so in a sense its cos he realises that my dp is more than a friend, also its just a weird and horrid thing for a 12 year old to deal with. it was the worst possible thing to have happened. just awful. it was very hard to handle well though god we tried.

ds said dad and his gf dont do that. i said ofcourse they do (subsequently talking to his dad his dad also did the talk about how thats what aduolts in loving relationships do etc) i tried to make a joke ofit, like even granny and grandad do that, yuck, etc - but he just thought it was awful. obviously.

the thing is we had tried over two years to be really considerate of the dcs feelings, never even held hands in front of them for over a year. so its awful that all of that was undone in a second.

no he didnt ask for that amd thats the worst thing but then neither did i - xh a serially unfaithful alcoholic, emotionally abusive, constantly on sex lines, escort websites, posting on singles websites - it was my decision to throw him out but i thought, im halfway through my life can i live with this any more? course i wish i had just put up with it now

but we have been amicable for the dcs, no probs with access, dad stayed at xmas etc i do try put the dcs first.

but should just add i do really love my dp and honestly never knew a man could be so considerate loving and kind. i have never been treated like that and he is so good and patient with my ds.and has never spoken harshly to him.

ds is fine with dad and gf and they are goinbg on hoiday with them to france for easter. he says its ok for dad cos he 'doesnt have to live with him and gf'

ds talks well of teh fun stuff he does with his dad and gf. grrrrr. i mean, i am pleased for him but wish it could be the sanme here.

my heart tells me i should put ds first vbut
then i am losing a man i truly love and that hurts - one day ds will be all wrapped up in friends and gfs and i dont want to be on my own tbh.

dont think dad has said anything negative to him, he is fine about my relationship, allows him not to feel guilt about his life and the dcs have seen all of us together, when we drop them off or pick up and i make a point of chatting nicely to the gf so dcs can see theres no problem.

i imagine he thinks his life is ruined cos his family broken up. he just really wants me to be on my own so its just the three of us. thats what he says.

last night was fairly awful i was probably a bit harsh with him cos so weary of teh tears and feel terrible about that now - i was so tired this morning i didnt send him off to school with much loving kindness. i will need to make up for that later. god help me i even said maybe you should live with your dad. i should never have said that. but so tired and worn down.

hey ho.

your post was so kind and perceptive, thankyou - cos i try to see it as a power thing but yes, i do know that he cries from genuine unhappiness.

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benbon · 01/04/2010 16:18

i used to have this with my step dad till my parents decided that once a week we would have some one on one time like going bowling, laser tag or even to mcdonalds it really helped me to see my step dad in a new light.. it might work why not give it a try..

GardenPath · 01/04/2010 18:36

"...can i live with this any more? course i wish i had just put up with it now."

Don't you dare say you should have put up with it! No one should put up with that. Of course you shouldn't and you were right to end it. I shouldn't say, perhaps, but your kids are also probably better off without a man like that, father or not. And of course you have a right to have a life of your own with your caring Dp (so pleased for you, btw).

I'm afraid the path that is child rearing is strewn with bloody great boulders and bloody great sharp spikey things of guilt (Christ, Raiding the Lost Ark is a doddle compared!). God, who'd be a mother?

"...obviously knew what had been going on and totally freaked." Ah, that'd be it then. "...well we were in bed and very quietly, in the dark - well you know." Yes, I do know, lol.
Well, bless him, that is, as far as he's concerned, every reason to be upset. This is going to be a hard one, eh?

They can have funny ideas about sex at that age (yeeuk!) and especially their mum's and dad's doing 'it', and especially their mums doing 'it' with another man. Not only has another man come into his mum's life but he's actually having sex with her. Angry, angry, angry! Typical, eh?

I expect you've already done this but, have you tried telling him he's still number one in your life and Dp isn't a replacement? You don't want to be a lonely old bag for the rest of your life etc. (Not 'you don't want me to be a lonely old bag, do you? don't want to put any guilt on him, IYSWIM).
I wonder if it might help for your Dp to have a quiet, sensitive one-to-one with him (choose your moment!) and tell him that he (Dp) really loves and cares for you (mum) and is a genuine bloke etc. Not 'we are going to whether you like it or not,' sort of thing, anything like that is apt to upset and make them dig their heels in even more.

He might not want to listen straight away and may well storm out but, let him, don't tell him off for being rude or anything, try again another time. I know it sounds schmaltzy and it might not work but he'll be convincing himself, they way they do, that he's been marginalised by the pair of you and that 'you don't care' etc.

Do you and Dp do stuff with him, all together?

Remember, he's just a kid, he loves you really (!) and they say things they don't always mean - don't we all in the heat of the moment?

sez2068 · 02/04/2010 01:43

more good sense oh bless you!

yes i have endlessly told him that he noone will ever be as important to me as him of course that doesnt ring true to him if i keep seeing dp cos he will figure if he is that imortant how come that isnt enough?!

yes we do stuff all together, used to a lot but now ds says he would rather it justr the three of us and refuses to enjoy if dp is there

unfortunately i did have a 'you will have to get used to it, dp isnt going anywhere' moment but that was kind of in response to him saying that he was trying to split us up. i wanted him to see that that wouldnt work.

dp has had lots of attempts at quiet chats wit him sadly i dont think ds really listens and is sticking to his line of he will never be happy if dp around. which isnt true actually - this evening he waslaughing and clowning around while he was there. but then i had already assured him dp wasnt staying over.

ds is off on hols with xh and gf tomorrow, and i said to him, look, just havre a lovely time and when you get back we will chat about what we are going to do and start afresh. he said, like what? i said well maybe one night a wek it will justbe the 3 of us, and if dp is going to stay we can agree which nights soi you know and dont have to worry about it..whatver helps you.

he said well i just wont like it whatever you say. cant win he is super stubborn!

but thanks for the reassurance re leaving xh, i know it wasnt right being with him and putting up with that. but yes - guilt - it just comes with the territory!!

but thankyou so much your posts are so helpful to read.

and benbon thanks also i will try andget ds to start spending time with dp again doing some stuff he likes that noone else wants to do! boring boy stuff

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GardenPath · 03/04/2010 01:48

You're welcome, glad to help, Sez. Well, looks as if you're doing all the right things, you can only do so much, and you're right, he can't expect you to give up your happy relationship with dp. And if you did, he'd probably feel lousy about it when he's an adult himself.

I guess it's just a case of waiting till he gets over it. (Continue to) be patient with him, it's a very turbulent age and he's going through all sorts of changes himself with more to come. (Teens are a pain in the arse whatever the circumstances!) He may well (hopefully) feel totally different in another year, even six months. He will understand, eventually that your relationship with Dp doesn't mean you love him any less - in fact, I'm sure he knows that very well already, but as I said, he's bound to say things he doesn't mean when he's angry or upset.

I'm glad to hear he was "laughing and clowning around" this evening. So, he's not unhappy about it all the time, good, perhaps he'll come around to the idea in spite of himself IYSWIM.

Hope he has a great time on holiday - actually, he may well come back having had a bellyful of Dad and gf and you and dp might not seem so bad!

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