exdp is lying to csa.what happens next

[ridingjoker]

firstly he told them he was unemployed.

i gave them his ltd company number and accountants details.

he's called very upset that they have his details. and says he's instructed his accountant to make sure the books only show him making £400 a month.

in truth he earns over 200k a yr.

is it possible for his accountant to hive "hidden" the money in this way he's claiming?

i.e claiming the business is paying mortgage/cars/all other expenses....and he's only getting paid £400 a month wages??

Why not speak to his accountant and tell him it's fraud if he gives incorrect figures.
Then call the csa and ask them to ensure he provides bank statements not just payslips or accounts

i have his 2004 and 2005 accounts. which show director salary of £147k and £156k. he's opening another shop since then. which he hasn't actually started to put through legit.

tax man wouldn't be very pleased to find out about that one. as he's hoping to get away with first couple of yr tax/vat free.

he says his accountant has said he'll give them all the info they're after but will "fix" the books first??

is he talking bull. is this actually possible as it's a ltd company. surely it's public record they cant?

why does he not want to pay for his dc? God he sounds awful!!

he wants me to give him a list of all my expenses and he will pay them direct. and any house i stay in will alo be his house

control issues.

oh and he's a gambling addict who spends between 5-10k a week in casino/poker.

god forbid he actually spend a fraction of that to ensure his dc are well looked after.

he sounds like a right charmer!

Depending on turnover of his business, he should be auditing his accounts/ filing returns and accounts at Companies House, although it sounds like he has a dirty tame accountant who cooks the books for him and so maybe he does not do that.

If it was me, and it is quite drastic, I would report him to HM Revenue & Customs. They should be able to tell with matching receipts/VAT records to the accounts books whether he is fraudulently acounting. Oh, and report his accountant to the Institute Of Chartered Accountants of England & Wales or whatever professional body

well... i'll wait to see what his accountant actually sends. chances are exdp is trying to wind me up.

but if he is telling the truth i am tempted to report them.

only problem is he will innevitable be hit with a tax/vat bill for new shop which will be very difficult for him to fund in one off as it is roughly 15-20k for each every quarter. and he's had this new shop for about 18 months.

and in the end we will suffer. as he's supplying us with some spradic payments. but i see them stopping if i report him.

It is possible, I believe, to fool the CSA by only having a salary of whatever the maximum amount you can earn before being taxable but then taking the rest out as expenses as dividends.

The CSA only check the actual salary. They don't check iother sources of income. At least they didn't when i looked into this a few years ago. Things may have changed.

Give them a call and ask.

And if they can't help, I'm with GorgonsGin. Go straight to HM Revenue and Customs and report him for possible fraud.

oh this is ridiculous is going to take years to sort this out. and end up in court

had a wee chat. he says the other shop is in his grown up kids names

so if i reported that it would be them getting invesigated. so pretty pointless.

Do you know the accountant at all? Can you have an informal chat with them?

IMO it may be worth pointing out to them that, in the circumstances, if this year magically turns out to be much less profitable than previous years then both HMRC and the accountancy body that the accountant is a member of would be interested.

The accountant will probably be registered with either ICAEW or ICAS (in order to have got professional indemnity insurance without which they could not operate); both of these institutes should have instructions about how to complain about members on their websites.

AFAIK (but I'm very out of date) the business accounts can't be used to pay personal expenses; that would be tax evasion and therefore HMRC would want to know. The accountant could also be punished by their institution if it could be shown that they knowingly connived in the fraud and/or were negligent.

Good luck.

Sorry, I should say that I'm no expert on this. Some or all of my previous post may be wrong

IME, if ex lies to the CSA they take his word for it and nothing you say makes a difference

He sounds like a tosser and I agree with what everyone else has said about reporting him to anyone who will listen.

I agree with anarchy.

My exh has lied to the csa too. No matter what I say to them, the figure he pays me will never change.
He pays me £17 a week, sees them for a few hrs on a Friday evening and has them to sleep for one night a month.

When in actual fact, he should be paying me at least £60 a week and have the girls to sleep one night a WEEK.

I have told the csa about this numerous times and nothing is done. All the while, he is running 2 cars and a taxi (appararently ltd company) and takes exotic holidays at least twice a year.
He keeps saying he'll give me a few quid 'off the books' so to speak, but he's been saying it for months and has never offered to hand over any reddies.

it doesn't matter if the new shop is in his grown up DCs name, that's just the name on the Land Registry title register. Unless it's owned as a freehold and he paid up front for the premises, it will be held on a lease which I assume is in the name of the business . But that has got nothing to do with his company and him filing fraudulant VAT returns. You can still report him for that.

Instead of reporting him, I would use his admissions as a little leverage to get what you want. Have you threatened to report him to HMRC yet?

while your exDP sounds like a tosser, it's perfectly legitimate to be the sole director of a limited compnay earning no more than approx £450 per month in salary - any other income should however be declared as dividends. It's better fom a tax point of view to split your income up like that, no need for dodgy accoutants . Can't help though with what the CSA actually takes into account wrt income, if it's just salary, or if it's total income. His accounts should be on file at Companies House and will show what's salary and what's dividend though.

My ex did this and the CSA said there was nothing they could do. They don't have the same type of powers as the IR. They did suggest that I contact the IR but as I don't have definite proof of his earnings there is nothing I can do.

i too had a massive prob with ex not supporting his children financially and emotionally.

I instructed the CSA to close my case as i have been fighting for well years DD1 is 17 DD2 is 15 and we split when DD2 was 6 weeks old.

He has had a life of riley. Holidays, cars days out etc etc eating at resturants every night with his since new family (he has 7 dc now)

i gave up my fight. CSA cant really do anything and if the accountant or employer does not give a true picture of what is being paid there is little that can be done.

CSA even agreed with me that exp outgoings are more than what he has declared as income and he was assessed as nil. YES NIL.

so good luck with trying to squeeze money out of your ex.

Makes me so cross

My exh has just got back from a weekend in Iceland. A short break is booked to New York in May.
The thing that really vexes me with him, is that I know he's minted, but NEVER ONCE have the DCs ever been included in his holidays.
That really makes me angry, as I can't afford to take them abroad, and it appears that he has DCs passports registered at his address that I never even knew about!

GGGrrrr

Can anybody advise what I might do? My ex has told the csa that i never have my daughter for "over night stays", though this is untrue, until recently i had my daugter 4 nights out of 7 at home and she had over night stays at her mothers new house for the other 3. Recently my daughter said she wants to stay a whole week at home with me then the next at her mothers house, whilst id like to have my kids full time I was proud of her decision, based on a sense of fairness and supported her. However now my ex has contacted the csa and they want £38 per week from me. Bassed on what she has told them, they asked me to keep a dairy of when my daughter stays at home, so i did and sent it to them, my ex told them I have no parental resposibility for my daughter, but I do and sent the csa a copy of that document. Surly she has commited fraud by lieing to them in order gain money? Help.

you need to prove to them you had your daughter via tribunal. You need to to appeal with 28 days of getting the letter or ask for a variaiton. Take photos on your phone when she visists etc as these are timed stamped. also tickets purchased etc for child places (depending on age of child) soft play centre, legoland that kind of thing.

Do you have a court ordered contact order in place? aLSO THERES NOTHING TO STOP YOU PUTTING A CSA APPLICATION IN YOURSELF.

Sorry OP but the system just lets these men get away with it. Similar situ to my ex and CSA were not interested. He used to hang up on them which actually helped me as they seemed a little more committed to hunting him down. However since he was 'unemployed' he has decided to tell them all about his new, much lower salary. Now they can't seem to find any other income other than this new much lower one. It seems as long as CSA gets ANYTHING from them, they drop all sense of priority, no matter what his real salary is. I went from £90 per week to £5 when he 'lost' his job and now it is back to £13. He is clearly still working for his old company and has founded a company in America, so I very much doubt he is on such a low wage. I have given up my fight, but it still royally pisses me off as I know so many women out there who are worse off because CSA are doing such a poor job.
Tribunal is a good way forward, but be prepared for him to 'loose' his job soon after.

Oh and sadly the Fraud Office won't care much either. Ex was on JSA for half a year but seemingly because I don't know his address they weren't interested despite his company being multi national, raking it in and in cahoots with him on his JSA bollocks So even if you do report, don't hold your breath.
Have some instead.